i have heard mixed opionons on the difference between the two. As far as i know they are very similar in 1st 2nd 3rd gear the difference is in the 4th and 5th. meaning the GSR is longer in gear 4 & 5. i can get either one i just want to have a longer final drive.. please give your input with which one would be better. thanks

 

Car? Motor? Do you drive on the freeway alot? Goals for car need more info...

 

good point...
942 dr teg b20 vtec soon to be lsvtec just puttin lighter flywheel and clutch and probaly tune due to fact there are too many cops with too much time on their hands. i wanna be able to drive long distance without driving at 5500 rpms at 80...

 

come on people!! somebody has to know the answers

 

b16 with LS 5th gear..or if i had to chose between the two...GSR tranny over the b16 in your case ....

 

Buy GSR Tranny what tranny do ya have now LS gets best MPG

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by TurBoTeG &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">b16 with LS 5th gear..or if i had to chose between the two...GSR tranny over the b16 in your case ....</TD></TR></TABLE>

I would never advise anyone to take a short geared tranny and slap in an LS 5th gear in it. you'll fall flat on your face when shifting from 4th to 5th. I've tried this already with an ITR tranny with pathetic results on a B20/Vtec motor. I would suggest just getting a GSR tranny and be happy with that. 80mph you'll be at 4k which is still bearable.

 

shorter is always faster.
for all motor i would not think about getting anything short of the shortest.
for boost it would be different...wait...no it woudnt.

 

ITR and B16 has the same gear ratios.......the JDM ITR tranny has the b16 1'st thru 3rd....and GSR 4th and 5th...

 

thanks guys...

 

although how different are the 1st 3 gears in gsr comapred to b16??

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Lauj87 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">ITR and B16 has the same gear ratios.......the JDM ITR tranny has the b16 1'st thru 3rd....and GSR 4th and 5th...</TD></TR></TABLE>

JDM ITR also has a shorter final drive at 4.785 vs. the USDM's 4.40. But yeah, the only difference between the b16 and USDM ITR is the b16's lack of lsd.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by b16crx88 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">although how different are the 1st 3 gears in gsr comapred to b16??</TD></TR></TABLE>

all the gears are shorter on the b16, except 1st. but you'll cruise about 500 rpm higher on the freeway.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by b16crx88 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">good point...
942 dr teg b20 vtec soon to be lsvtec just puttin lighter flywheel and clutch and probaly tune due to fact there are too many cops with too much time on their hands. i wanna be able to drive long distance without driving at 5500 rpms at 80... </TD></TR></TABLE>

5500 is exagerated..... my gsr tranny +4.785 FD runs 4500 at 80 mph
(and this is a shorter 5th gear than the B16 with the stock 4.4 FD)


a short geared tranny is a bit to get used to at first but i think if performance is your goal you will be happy with the B16 as your choice

and to clarify b16 has shorter gears than the gsr 2-5


Modified by Korch94 at 12:06 PM 2/7/2006


Modified by Korch94 at 12:07 PM 2/7/2006

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by b16crx88 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">good point...
942 dr teg b20 vtec soon to be lsvtec just puttin lighter flywheel and clutch and probaly tune due to fact there are too many cops with too much time on their hands. i wanna be able to drive long distance without driving at 5500 rpms at 80... </TD></TR></TABLE>

so ur pulling ur b20/vtec and putting in an ls/vtec?

5500 rpms isnt overexaggerated... i cruise at 4500 at 60mph with my b16 tranny...

 

Does this mean that the gsr is better than the si on the highway. Cause I am doing an lsvtec and doing alot of miles a day. Maybe around 30 highway miles. i WNATED TO know if the gsr is better than the b16 in that aspect

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by TurBoTeG &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">b16 with LS 5th gear..or if i had to chose between the two...GSR tranny over the b16 in your case ....</TD></TR></TABLE>

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by shermanyang &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I would never advise anyone to take a short geared tranny and slap in an LS 5th gear in it. you'll fall flat on your face when shifting from 4th to 5th. I've tried this already with an ITR tranny with pathetic results on a B20/Vtec motor. I would suggest just getting a GSR tranny and be happy with that. 80mph you'll be at 4k which is still bearable.</TD></TR></TABLE>

So you have done this? I currently have a ls fifth in a 92 ys1 GSR tranny. I didn't notice any falling on my face even witha little b17? Are you saying at 110 or 120mph(whenever you shift from 4th to 5th) that you car losses poweror falls on it's face. lol. difference is like 3% drop. Whats that, maybe 3-400rpms. I plan to swap out my gsr tranny for a b16(oem lsd) and already have the ls fifth to swap. I'll take the 2-5% fuel increase cause I drivwe like 50k mils ayear.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Spectrum24x &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

so ur pulling ur b20/vtec and putting in an ls/vtec?</TD></TR></TABLE>


i am pullin my b20 because it is built for turbo..i have decided im not gonna turbo now (block fs)..

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 4potnick &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

So you have done this? I currently have a ls fifth in a 92 ys1 GSR tranny. I didn't notice any falling on my face even witha little b17? Are you saying at 110 or 120mph(whenever you shift from 4th to 5th) that you car losses poweror falls on it's face. lol. difference is like 3% drop. Whats that, maybe 3-400rpms. I plan to swap out my gsr tranny for a b16(oem lsd) and already have the ls fifth to swap. I'll take the 2-5% fuel increase cause I drivwe like 50k mils ayear. </TD></TR></TABLE>


yes i have and it's not just a 300-400 rpm drop, it's more like 500+ rpm drop and it's very noticeable.

a B16/ITR tranny with an 94+ LS 5th running the 4.4 final drive @ 80 mph is running around 3600 rpm compared to a stock B16/ITR 5th gear which is at 4300-4500 rpm. there's a huge difference there.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Korch94 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

and to clarify b16 has shorter gears than the gsr 2-4</TD></TR></TABLE>

5th in the b16 is .84
.78 in the gsr

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by H23 Power &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

5th in the b16 is .84
.78 in the gsr</TD></TR></TABLE>


ya i meant to type 2-5 sry