Hey I'm thinking of converting to nitro methane in our race car. I've researched quite abit about and would like to hear peoples experiences using it.

 

my girlfreind says i shoot that out of my ***?

 

serious replies only please!

 

haha sorry. never used it

 

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ok um Your gona put an eye out .......

serious thou you will get hurt ....

 

Non of the series here in Canada or the US allow it.

I looked at this a year or so back for our all motor car, too seewhat was involved. The stuff is really dangerous, and very volitile... you dont need to run nitro to make bi power, maybe convert over to methanole first, then if you wanna experiment, add like 5% or 10% nitro, kinda like some of the pro mod teams do with thier V8 monsters...

Im still curious to know what nitro and a 4cyl would do... a regualr OEM block I dont think could take it... and are you not a Nitrous car? If I recall right, Nirtomethane and N02 dont go well together.

 

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I looked at this a year or so back for our all motor car, too seewhat was involved. The stuff is really dangerous, and very volitile... you dont need to run nitro to make bi power, maybe convert over to methanole first, then if you wanna experiment, add like 5% or 10% nitro, kinda like some of the pro mod teams do with thier V8 monsters...
Im still curious to know what nitro and a 4cyl would do... a regualr OEM block I dont think could take it... and are you not a Nitrous car? If I recall right, Nirtomethane and N02 dont go well together. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Well I heared someone will be using nitro this year in CSCS, if it's prohibited then it isn't so easy for them! True I remember now, your right! I made a mistake it's methel alcohol I headr they will be running my bad!

Modified by haveaNOSday at 11:51 AM 1/31/2006


Modified by haveaNOSday at 12:09 PM 1/31/2006

 

touchy-touchy. I have smelled it before and ran it in a RC car but thats it.

 

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ok um Your gona put an eye out .......

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lol

 

well I just got word that no Sanctioning body what so ever, in any series allows nitro methane. Looks like I will be trying it on test and tune days only. But I'm pretty sure I will try it at least once. me to I run 20% nitro in my rc buggy but race nitro can be diluted aswell I under stand it's extremely volitile but remember nitro has a higher flash point than petrol but can ignited by shock, and you can't see it burn if you have a fire in the pits, which IMO I think thats why it's so dangerous.

 

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Did you skip grammer in school? If you have nothing positive to say then F/O and get out!

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so basically you only want to hear the replies telling you that it's good and you should run it. these guys are trying to tell you it's dangerous and are lookin out for you and your car but your just being an *** and not listening. go ahead and run it and distroy some motors then... what are your reasons for wanting to make the switch? more power?

 

sorry I didn't understand you sarcasm

I run an A20 block and head, there a dime a dozen and yes I want to make more power nitro allows you to advance the timing because of a slower burn rate. basically thats pretty much I know about it seeing how I'm still learning about it

 

honestly - you have run 9.90 - what you expect to go out and bust off 8s with Nitro?? just spray the damn car and be done with it if you want more power

or actually if you do run Nitro - at least get it on video so you can share it with the rest of us - would probably be entertaining

 

I guarantee your motor is not built for nitromethane. Have you ever been to a NHRA top fuel/funny car race. Do you see after every run they are tearing the motors apart and rebuilding. They do this for a reason. Nitromethane is extremely hard on parts. Please be aware these teams are running the best of the best equipment and still can't keep parts from being damaged. I would say even a 10% mix of nitro with 90% methanol will still eat a 4 cyl motor apart in no time. I think top fuel is at 85% nitromethane 15% methanol. Be very careful with that fuel. Pure angus nitromethane is much more powerful and potent than most people think.

 

How much power do you expect to get from a 10-20% mitro mix? You can get that power increase from any number of other more reliable improvements.

 

Have fun, this should be interesting

 

try vp nitropropane and gas . It is a liquid . Does pretty well and dosnt have the downfall of nitromethane. Have used it lightly on stock engines.

 

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Wouldn't it be more the case that you could run higher compression than "running more timing?" I never understood the argument that "more timing = more power." Proper timing = proper power. So if nitromethane resists detonation much better than methanol or ethanol, couldn't you then run higher compression on nitromethane? Then because of the slower burn rate, you would need to run more timing in order to maximize cylinder pressure at the right time for the most power output, not be able to run more timing and therefore make more power. Is this correct or am I missing something?

 

nitro dosent burn its just combustable

ive been told you can light it on fire and have nothing happen but you hit a drop with a hammer and you have no more arm.

ive heard stories of when a drop fell in a bolt hole in the rebuilding process and when a bolt was threaded in the hole it blew up and hurt the crew member pretty bad.


ive also been told by promod guys just a cap full in 5 gallons of methanol is worth a few hundreths

 

Thanks for the info! from what I'm reading I guess it's not such a good idea. If and when we do run it, it will deffinetly be on video, and will be shared with everyone. We spray nitrous and get reliable power from it so mabey We'll stick to that for now.

 

I ran some 100% nitro through a gasoline powered 5.0 EFI Ford motor on the dyno a few years back. I just shoved a spray bar in the intake, hooked up a Holley blue pump, regulator, and one of those NOS nitro pinch valves. The whole contraption added an additional 65hp to a 320hp engine, but I had to use an MSD 7al2 box with a pro power coil to get it to fire. The stuff was really hard to light and the ignition was constantly sputtering, but it did make some power. Best part was the smell of the dyno cell after a pull, it smelled like a top fueler in the pits. I did blow up the dyno mufflers later in the day, but it was well worth it . I say you should try it out on your 4 cyl. motor, just get the best ignition you can afford and use an MSD HVC2 coil. I think the power gains on nitro will be substantial with that coil, when I was dynoing, the header pipes were practically dripping with nitro, most of it wasn't getting burned.

Later,

ZEX Man

 

Guys come on...

There are 4 cylinder engines that have run nitro. Upto around 10 or 15% you'll see some minor improvements with little changes, but raise that to 20 and all of the sudden, you've got to tune/ build the engine quite differently. There's a reason nitro engines are low (~6:1 to 7:1) compression. If you're running large amounts of fuel to cool the air, keep in mind that you'll need to have clearance in the chamber for the unburnt fuel on the compression stroke.

Have fun with it.....

 

all right what about alcohol or methanol any advantages there?

 

Runs cool, easier on parts, makes a little more power, and its legal. Those are the advantages.

There is gas that will make as much power if not more than meth...but its not legal in our sanctioned events and the stuff ain't cheap

 

If i were you i would look more into running meth then nitro.
Your just asking for trouble trying to run nitro.