just wondering how to put an aftermarket racing harness on?? cant really find anywhere to bolt it on...werid..

 

Do you have a roll bar?

 

no i don't.

 

then don't bother, it will be unsafe

 

Are you even going to track your car or is this for looks only?

 

this is just for looks.

 

If it's a 4-pt, use four self-tapping screws. Take the two-over-the-shoulder belts and use 1 self tapping screw to secure the eyelets together. Find a hard spot on the back of your seat and screw them into that point.

Then screw in the left and right side eyelet to the floor pan on either side of the seat for the lap belt.

For the last self tapping screw, screw it into the OE seat-belt receptacle so that if anyone tries to use stock belts, it doesn't lock the clip into the receptacle.


**I suggest using your harnesses mounted without a roll bar as much as I suggest using my mounting method described above**

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Nishant &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">then don't bother, it will be unsafe</TD></TR></TABLE>

i have takata harnesses in my car without a roll bar and believe me it is safe. I used the eyebolts that came with the harness, and they are secured to the chassis. If you look in the takata instruction manual, it does not say anywhere that a roll bar is required. There are even pictures of the harness installed without a roll bar in the takata manual.

 

I have seen harnesses with and without roll bars. You really have to know what you are doing to make one safe without the roll bar. there are only a couple places that you can attach the harness to and even then it has to be very secure. i do not recommend it but it can be done.

I just hate seeing someone get hurt from having harnesses which didn't do their job due to bad installation.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Nishant &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I have seen harnesses with and without roll bars. You really have to know what you are doing to make one safe without the roll bar. there are only a couple places that you can attach the harness to and even then it has to be very secure. i do not recommend it but it can be done.

I just hate seeing someone get hurt from having harnesses which didn't do their job due to bad installation.</TD></TR></TABLE>

The fact remains that you can use harnesses w/out a rollbar safely, but of course you have to know what you are doing...


Modified by CWESTINDC2 at 12:56 AM 2/1/2006

 

I've seen a couple of harness installs done using the factory roll-hoops. However, only one has been allowed to participate in HPDE's.

The others were just not in very securely, or they were secured to non-grounded locations. The one correct way to do it, is VERY tedious, but can be done.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Nishant &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I have seen harnesses with and without roll bars. You really have to know what you are doing to make one safe without the roll bar. there are only a couple places that you can attach the harness to and even then it has to be very secure. i do not recommend it but it can be done.

I just hate seeing someone get hurt from having harnesses which didn't do their job due to bad installation.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Not to mention if your head sticks up past the stock "roll bars," you are f%$#@ in case of a rollover.

Why do kids do this for "looks only?" It's not comfortable and more of a hinderance than anything. My personal advice is save your money.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by CWESTINDC2 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i have takata harnesses in my car without a roll bar and believe me it is safe.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I don't think you understand what 'safe' means.

If you had a roll over, the roll bars, the factory ones that is, will be the only thing supporting you and your head. Your head would be crushed over, because your body would be unable to flex towards the inside of the car.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Mr. Bagel &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
I don't think you understand what 'safe' means.

If you had a roll over, the roll bars, the factory ones that is, will be the only thing supporting you and your head. Your head would be crushed over, because your body would be unable to flex towards the inside of the car.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I don't think you know what we're talking about. Read the first post again until you understand.

WE ARE TALKING ABOUT USING MULTI-POINT-HARNESSES. I am not the one that designed the factory roll hoops on the S2000.

I don't get WTF you are talking about...

 

i still think the stock seatbelt more safe.lolz

 

IMO, unless you're short, you should never do a harness in the car w/ the factory roll bar. It IS NOT safe, unless you are short like me and the top of your head comes nowhere near the top of the roll bar....

 

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I don't think you know what we're talking about. Read the first post again until you understand.

WE ARE TALKING ABOUT USING MULTI-POINT-HARNESSES. I am not the one that designed the factory roll hoops on the S2000.

I don't get WTF you are talking about... </TD></TR></TABLE>

First, you need to calm down. Did you even read through Mr. Bagel's post?

Let me explain further. When I sit in my S, My head is about level with the factory roll hoops. If my car would happen to roll over, half of my head would be ground off/crushed. That's why factory seat belts allow you to duck sideways. With 4-point harnesses, you're stuck in an upright position. Say good bye to your noggin. Get a roll bar, then the harness. I personally don't trust those factory hula hoops.


Modified by P Nut at 3:55 PM 1/31/2006

 

hope you dont roll over.

 

im only 5'5....and still using the stock belt.....forget about harness now lolz

 

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What are the odds of rolling over, slim to none. Your biggest concern would be actually crashing and breaking your neck.

 

Pick up a couple of nuts that fit your eyebolts, weld them into the chassis at recommended points. I would use the Takata installation instruction with the right harness angles and mounting points.


Modified by Slideways2000 at 1:23 PM 2/8/2006

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Revgasm &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">hope you dont roll over.</TD></TR></TABLE>

hope you don't roll over.

 

If you put a racing harness (5pt or 6pt or whatever other form), you need to be very, very careful. The angle of the shoulder belts is very important!

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Pick up a couple of bolts that fit your eyebolts</TD></TR></TABLE>

Maybe you were thinking this when you wrote it, but you can't just pick up any bolt that fits the eye bolts. You absolutely need to make sure that you get a high enough grade bolt, otherwise in a crash it will just snap. Not a good thing.

The other component of a racing harness is having a racing seat. The holes that are located on the top of the seat are not there just for looks. I really don't suggest you use race belts with a stock seat.

If you really want a racing harness, take a look at either NASA or SCCA's specifications for mounting belts. (www.scca.org then find the club racing GCR / general competion rules book)

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by P Nut &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Let me explain further. When I sit in my S, My head is about level with the factory roll hoops. If my car would happen to roll over, half of my head would be ground off/crushed. That's why factory seat belts allow you to duck sideways. With 4-point harnesses, you're stuck in an upright position. Say good bye to your noggin. Get a roll bar, then the harness. I personally don't trust those factory hula hoops.


Modified by P Nut at 3:55 PM 1/31/2006</TD></TR></TABLE>

You're wrong again. If you have a multi-point harness with a quick-release camlock buckle, you can still "duck sideways" in case of a rollover. You are not stuck in any upright position, so I still don't get WTF you are talking about.

 

I dunno how many wrecks you've been involved in, but at the track, I've walled and wrecked a couple of times in a track prepped CRX and once in an S2000. I was wearing full 5pt harnesses each time. My gut instinct was to brace and crouch forward as if I was going into somewhat a fetal position. Thankfully, I wasn't able to.

In a flip situation, I wouldn't have the presence of mind to try and "duck sideways" until only the car stopped moving and I could realize where and what position I was. In that time, if I was stuck back to the seat at anytime the OEM roll hoop (or heaven forbid my head) hit the ground, I'm sure that my outlook wouldn't be too good.

With a race seat in each of the cars, I was/am sitting considerably lower than any roll hoop/cage I have installed. I'd bet against the 5' 10", or taller, person stuck to the back of an OEM s2000 seat using harnesses and only the roll hoops in a multiple flip situation. Just my .02. Do as you wish otherwise, no need to hate on my opinion or my experiences. Take care and be safe, regardless.