Ok its time to replace my stock tires...which ones should i get??
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Ok its time to replace my stock tires...which ones should i get??
I'm looking for a good all season tire with a little performance if possible. Should I stick with the 195/55/r15 or should i go wider like a 205 seris tire. Anybody have any suggestions or good experiences with any particular tire?
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bridgestone potenzas 195/55/15
pirelli p7000 205/50/15
michelin xgt v4 195/55/15 - really shitty and way overpriced
yokohama avid t4 195/55/15 - great all season, great price
and there's many more... call up TireDepot, they're in Thornhill.
pirelli p7000 205/50/15
michelin xgt v4 195/55/15 - really shitty and way overpriced
yokohama avid t4 195/55/15 - great all season, great price
and there's many more... call up TireDepot, they're in Thornhill.
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Re: Ok its time to replace my stock tires...which ones should i get?? (2000GSR)
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Re: Ok its time to replace my stock tires...which ones should i get?? (Just_LS)
Should I stick with p195/55/r15 or move up to 205/50/r15? Any noticable performance differences?
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Re: Ok its time to replace my stock tires...which ones should i get?? (2000GSR)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 2000GSR »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Should I stick with p195/55/r15 or move up to 205/50/r15? Any noticable performance differences?</TD></TR></TABLE>
10mm more of tread and 5mm less profile won't yield a huge performance increase. It will, however, drive the price of the tire quite a bit up.
195/55 -> 107.25mm height
205/50 -> 102.5mm height
10mm more of tread and 5mm less profile won't yield a huge performance increase. It will, however, drive the price of the tire quite a bit up.
195/55 -> 107.25mm height
205/50 -> 102.5mm height
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As you noted in this topic in the wheels and tires forum, you are looking for tires to use in Toronto in the winter only (since you have a separate set of 17" wheels with your summer tires to use the rest of the year). Since you're only using them in winter, in a winter climate, get winter tires, which will give you WAY better performance in snow and cold than all-season tires. Also remember, for winter use, you want tires that are NARROWER, which are better on snow. I recommend that you get the Bridgestone Blizzak WS-50 in 195/55-15, USD88/tire at the Tire Rack.
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KDW 2 for winter-only use in the snow and cold of Toronto 
(which is no different from any other summer tire)
And if you're only using those tires when it's wamer out, they're okay, but the Kumho SPT and the Yokohama ES100 offer the same performance for a whole lot less money.
(which is no different from any other summer tire)And if you're only using those tires when it's wamer out, they're okay, but the Kumho SPT and the Yokohama ES100 offer the same performance for a whole lot less money.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by nsxtasy »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">As you noted in this topic in the wheels and tires forum, you are looking for tires to use in Toronto in the winter only (since you have a separate set of 17" wheels with your summer tires to use the rest of the year). Since you're only using them in winter, in a winter climate, get winter tires, which will give you WAY better performance in snow and cold than all-season tires. Also remember, for winter use, you want tires that are NARROWER, which are better on snow. I recommend that you get the Bridgestone Blizzak WS-50 in 195/55-15, USD88/tire at the Tire Rack.
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I love my Blizzak WS-50s.
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I love my Blizzak WS-50s.
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i had some, but i really didnt like them that much, now i have the yokohama es100's and i feellike theyre a lot better. it may just be cause they're newer and i forgot how the proxes felt when they were new, but I dunno, now I definatelky like the es100's a lot better.
i had some, but i really didnt like them that much, now i have the yokohama es100's and i feellike theyre a lot better. it may just be cause they're newer and i forgot how the proxes felt when they were new, but I dunno, now I definatelky like the es100's a lot better.
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This discussion is really funny, because the original poster didn't say what he really intended to do with the tires in this topic (he only said so in that other topic). And even after I stated here that he intends to use the tires only in a harsh winter climate, people are making recommendations that are just about the worst thing for that use (Azenis RT-615 for snow??? ). Doesn't anyone here bother to READ before they post a reply? 
The other bunch of UNhelpful replies consist of people recommending tires like "Bridgestone Potenza" or "Toyo Proxes". Fact: Bridgestone makes many, many, many tires with the Potenza name - everything from high-performance tires, to budget tires, to all-season tires, to truck/SUV tires, and the same thing is true with Toyo and the Proxes name. So unless you say which specific tire you're referring to, a recommendation like that is meaningless.
The simple fact is, different tires are made for different purposes. There are summer tires, and there are all-season tires, and there are winter tires. In snow and frigid cold, like in winter in Toronto, a winter tire is going to provide much, MUCH better performance than an all-season tire, and an all-season tire is going to provide much, MUCH better performance than a summer tire. In moderate to warm temperatures, on dry pavement and on wet pavement, a summer tire is going to provide much, MUCH better performance than an all-season tire (which is why it's no surprise that the Yokohama ES100 grips better than the Toyo Proxes 4), and an all-season tire is going to provide much better performance than a winter tire. An all-season tire is designed to be a "compromise" tire, for people who need to use the same tire all year round, and don't mind not having the winter grip of a winter tire and doesn't care enough about performance to miss the better grip of a summer tire the rest of the year. If you live in the south where it rarely snows in winter, you're better off with a summer tire. And if you have to deal with harsh winters, you're really better off with a separate set of wheels with true winter tires.
As I mentioned above, he is looking for tires to be used only in winter, in a harsh winter climate. I recommended the Bridgestone Blizzak WS-50 in 195/55-15. The Michelin X-Ice is also pretty good.
Before he posted that he only intends to use these tires in winter, here's what I posted as a brief summary in the wheels and tires forum:
As you can see, there are lots of good tires around. But to find the best tire for a particular person, you have to understand how he intends to use those tires (summer? snow? track? daily driving? etc) as well as what his personal priorities are (handling and grip? wet traction? price? treadlife? etc). Take those personal factors into account, and you can usually come up with a tire that best matches each person's needs. And it won't necessarily be the same as a tire that best matches some other person's needs.
). Doesn't anyone here bother to READ before they post a reply? The other bunch of UNhelpful replies consist of people recommending tires like "Bridgestone Potenza" or "Toyo Proxes". Fact: Bridgestone makes many, many, many tires with the Potenza name - everything from high-performance tires, to budget tires, to all-season tires, to truck/SUV tires, and the same thing is true with Toyo and the Proxes name. So unless you say which specific tire you're referring to, a recommendation like that is meaningless.
The simple fact is, different tires are made for different purposes. There are summer tires, and there are all-season tires, and there are winter tires. In snow and frigid cold, like in winter in Toronto, a winter tire is going to provide much, MUCH better performance than an all-season tire, and an all-season tire is going to provide much, MUCH better performance than a summer tire. In moderate to warm temperatures, on dry pavement and on wet pavement, a summer tire is going to provide much, MUCH better performance than an all-season tire (which is why it's no surprise that the Yokohama ES100 grips better than the Toyo Proxes 4), and an all-season tire is going to provide much better performance than a winter tire. An all-season tire is designed to be a "compromise" tire, for people who need to use the same tire all year round, and don't mind not having the winter grip of a winter tire and doesn't care enough about performance to miss the better grip of a summer tire the rest of the year. If you live in the south where it rarely snows in winter, you're better off with a summer tire. And if you have to deal with harsh winters, you're really better off with a separate set of wheels with true winter tires.
As I mentioned above, he is looking for tires to be used only in winter, in a harsh winter climate. I recommended the Bridgestone Blizzak WS-50 in 195/55-15. The Michelin X-Ice is also pretty good.
Before he posted that he only intends to use these tires in winter, here's what I posted as a brief summary in the wheels and tires forum:
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If you need to use the same tires on your car all year round, including snow as well as summer, then get the Kumho Ecsta ASX all-season tire in 195/55-15 for $65. However, I agree with Dave; it would be much better get a separate set of wheels so you can use winter tires in the winter, and summer tires the rest of the year. Even inexpensive summer tires like the SPT or ES100 will give you much, much, MUCH better performance in moderate to warm temperatures than all-season tires.
If you're looking for a summer tire with very good performance and a bargain price that will also last a reasonably long time, then get the Kumho Ecsta SPT or the Yokohama ES100, both in 195/55-15 for around $60.
If you want a bit more performance than that and you don't mind paying a bit more for it or having summer tires that don't last quite as long, then consider the Toyo T1-R in 195/55-15 or the Kumho Ecsta MX in 205/50-15, both for around $80.
If you want even better performance because you take your car to the track or autocross and you don't mind replacing your tires 2-3 times as often, get the Falken Azenis RT-615 in 205/50-15 for $78.
If you're looking for a summer tire with very good performance and a bargain price that will also last a reasonably long time, then get the Kumho Ecsta SPT or the Yokohama ES100, both in 195/55-15 for around $60.
If you want a bit more performance than that and you don't mind paying a bit more for it or having summer tires that don't last quite as long, then consider the Toyo T1-R in 195/55-15 or the Kumho Ecsta MX in 205/50-15, both for around $80.
If you want even better performance because you take your car to the track or autocross and you don't mind replacing your tires 2-3 times as often, get the Falken Azenis RT-615 in 205/50-15 for $78.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by RP215. »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">My car is sporting 3 195/50/15 potenzas, and 1 205/55/15 potenza. should i change all 4 of them to 195/55/15?</TD></TR></TABLE>
Well, you should never use different sized tires on the same axle.
Also, Bridgestone makes a lot of tires with the Potenza name. The only one that comes in 195/55-15 is the RE010, which is the stock tire for the Integra Type R. Very sticky tire, offers great handling feel, but it's $138/tire.
I would do something immediately so all the tires match (even if it's just getting a fourth 195/50 tire). Then, when they wear out, get another set of matching tires, but in 195/55-15 or 205/50-15. 195/50 is too small for a GS-R; the diameter is 3.3 percent smaller than stock, and that's a significant difference.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by theJINandDC2 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i got 205/45/R16 on my slips BF Goodrich G-Force Sport. stick like a bitch on some guys jock. Also iono how much you willing to spend per tire but i got mine for 63 each.</TD></TR></TABLE>
The G-Force Sport is not worth the money. You can get better tires for the same money. That's why I recommend the Kumho Ecsta SPT and the Yokohama AVS ES100 so often. Both of them offer MUCH better performance (on wet AND dry pavement) than the G-Force Sport for about the same money.
The Yokohama ES100 really was a breakthrough when it hit the market for budget performance tires a few years ago, because it offered MUCH better performance at a price similar to other tires in that market at that time, like the Kumho Ecsta Supra 712 and the Dunlop FM901. You can look at the comparison test results on the Tire Rack website, where the ES100 beat the 712 in all 23 out of 23 performance categories tested. It's really only been in the past year that competitors have introduced tires that can compete with the ES100 in both price and performance, like the Kumho SPT and the Dunlop DZ101. They still sell tires like the Kumho 712, the Dunlop FM901, and the BFG g-Force Sport, which all have similar (crappy) performance, but there's no reason to buy those when there are MUCH better tires in the same price range, like the SPT, ES100, and DZ101.
Well, you should never use different sized tires on the same axle.
Also, Bridgestone makes a lot of tires with the Potenza name. The only one that comes in 195/55-15 is the RE010, which is the stock tire for the Integra Type R. Very sticky tire, offers great handling feel, but it's $138/tire.
I would do something immediately so all the tires match (even if it's just getting a fourth 195/50 tire). Then, when they wear out, get another set of matching tires, but in 195/55-15 or 205/50-15. 195/50 is too small for a GS-R; the diameter is 3.3 percent smaller than stock, and that's a significant difference.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by theJINandDC2 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i got 205/45/R16 on my slips BF Goodrich G-Force Sport. stick like a bitch on some guys jock. Also iono how much you willing to spend per tire but i got mine for 63 each.</TD></TR></TABLE>
The G-Force Sport is not worth the money. You can get better tires for the same money. That's why I recommend the Kumho Ecsta SPT and the Yokohama AVS ES100 so often. Both of them offer MUCH better performance (on wet AND dry pavement) than the G-Force Sport for about the same money.
The Yokohama ES100 really was a breakthrough when it hit the market for budget performance tires a few years ago, because it offered MUCH better performance at a price similar to other tires in that market at that time, like the Kumho Ecsta Supra 712 and the Dunlop FM901. You can look at the comparison test results on the Tire Rack website, where the ES100 beat the 712 in all 23 out of 23 performance categories tested. It's really only been in the past year that competitors have introduced tires that can compete with the ES100 in both price and performance, like the Kumho SPT and the Dunlop DZ101. They still sell tires like the Kumho 712, the Dunlop FM901, and the BFG g-Force Sport, which all have similar (crappy) performance, but there's no reason to buy those when there are MUCH better tires in the same price range, like the SPT, ES100, and DZ101.
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The best matching 15" size for an Integra is 195/55-15, which is the stock size on the GS-R and ITR. My advice is to get 195/55 if the tire you're considering comes in that size, and otherwise get 205/50. The performance difference is negligible, you won't have any speedometer/odometer error with 195/55, and the tires usually cost significantly less than 205/50.
You may also want to get 205/50 if you're taking your car to track events and autocross, but I definitely favor the 195/55 for daily driving.
The best matching 15" size for an Integra is 195/55-15, which is the stock size on the GS-R and ITR. My advice is to get 195/55 if the tire you're considering comes in that size, and otherwise get 205/50. The performance difference is negligible, you won't have any speedometer/odometer error with 195/55, and the tires usually cost significantly less than 205/50.
You may also want to get 205/50 if you're taking your car to track events and autocross, but I definitely favor the 195/55 for daily driving.
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yokohama avid t4 195/55/15 - great all season, great price</TD></TR></TABLE>
some of the best tires i've ever had. seeing as tires are your most important safety device on your car (being that they are the only thing that touches the asphalt) you probably don't wanna skimp on them. get the best.
yokohama avid t4 195/55/15 - great all season, great price</TD></TR></TABLE>
some of the best tires i've ever had. seeing as tires are your most important safety device on your car (being that they are the only thing that touches the asphalt) you probably don't wanna skimp on them. get the best.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by nsxtasy »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">This discussion is really funny, because the original poster didn't say what he really intended to do with the tires in this topic (he only said so in that other topic). And even after I stated here that he intends to use the tires only in a harsh winter climate, people are making recommendations that are just about the worst thing for that use (Azenis RT-615 for snow??? ). Doesn't anyone here bother to READ before they post a reply?
The other bunch of UNhelpful replies consist of people recommending tires like "Bridgestone Potenza" or "Toyo Proxes". Fact: Bridgestone makes many, many, many tires with the Potenza name - everything from high-performance tires, to budget tires, to all-season tires, to truck/SUV tires, and the same thing is true with Toyo and the Proxes name. So unless you say which specific tire you're referring to, a recommendation like that is meaningless.
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you posted the winter thing after i made my post. besides, i did recommend to call up a local shop for them to ask the questions and for him to decide.
i fail to see the problem. somebody asks, i list a few just to give an idea of all season... then say call these guys.
of course, bridgestone makes many types of potenza tires but how many are all season in 195/55/15?
). Doesn't anyone here bother to READ before they post a reply? The other bunch of UNhelpful replies consist of people recommending tires like "Bridgestone Potenza" or "Toyo Proxes". Fact: Bridgestone makes many, many, many tires with the Potenza name - everything from high-performance tires, to budget tires, to all-season tires, to truck/SUV tires, and the same thing is true with Toyo and the Proxes name. So unless you say which specific tire you're referring to, a recommendation like that is meaningless.
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you posted the winter thing after i made my post. besides, i did recommend to call up a local shop for them to ask the questions and for him to decide.
i fail to see the problem. somebody asks, i list a few just to give an idea of all season... then say call these guys.
of course, bridgestone makes many types of potenza tires but how many are all season in 195/55/15?
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Nuck Chorris »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i did recommend to call up a local shop for them to ask the questions and for him to decide.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Local shops usually have very little knowledge about most tires, except for a few kinds that they carry. Most of the time they recommend whatever they have in stock, regardless of whether or not it's really the best tire for someone's particular needs.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Nuck Chorris »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">somebody asks, i list a few just to give an idea of all season... then say call these guys.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Which almost certainly will guarantee a recommendation that's not the best tire for that particular person's needs.
Thanks for repeating your amazingly BAD advice.
Local shops usually have very little knowledge about most tires, except for a few kinds that they carry. Most of the time they recommend whatever they have in stock, regardless of whether or not it's really the best tire for someone's particular needs.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Nuck Chorris »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">somebody asks, i list a few just to give an idea of all season... then say call these guys.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Which almost certainly will guarantee a recommendation that's not the best tire for that particular person's needs.
Thanks for repeating your amazingly BAD advice.