I looked at the 2006 NDRA rule book today. Sense i can't race this year(no pro stock). I just wanted to see what was in the rule book, for the hell of it. What I can't figure out is why are v8's allowed in some of the classes. What the F--k is going on? If I wanted to watch a v8 I would go to a IHRA, Super Chevy, or NHRA Powerade race. I thought sport compact drag racing was about rotary, 4, or 6 cylinders. What does everyone else think?

 

Evolution of the sport.

 

v8's is not evolution its going in the wrong direction. you can not evolve what already exist. their is enough sanction bodies for them. is this another SIGN that sport compact drag racing is dieing out?

 

I believe they are trying to eliminate the segregation from us step children(sport compacts)

 

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the way i look at it. is who cares. are you scared? thats the only thing i can think of why someone would even care. i think we have proved it doesnt need 8 cylinders to go fast. so who the hell gives a rip.

 

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have much to drink tonight??

 

i think its worse that the 4 cylinder fwd turbo guys will be against 6 cylinder turbo rwd cars in street class, but if thats the only way they can stay alive so be it i guess

 

i think it comes down to to many hands being in the mix. too many series that try to cater to the same market, but different crowds.

i dont expect everyone to be happy--as that never happens. however, i do feel that the "street" cars are getting out of control, and that evolutiion of the sport has just about killed off a daily driver car. to be competitive, you pretty much gotta build a crazy *** setup that is really not streetable daily. but i can deal w/ that aspect.

i feel that the majority of your potential racers would be those still pimping their race car as a daily driver-- so say 11/12 second and slower cars. that leaves you in a class like power street- which i feel an 11 second fwd car can be competitive in amongst other fwd's.

however, once u toss the awd and rwd cars in on the mix, you see the discrepancies in drivetrain layout. but hey, no one forced you to chose the chasis you run. so make it work or switch...

almost makes sense to have an index setup kinda like the efi drags use. but even in a heads up index racing, it still is to much liek brackets and therefore sucks.

so it comes down to you. you need either deep pockets, or need to be on top of the learnign curve to have the edge. innovate or die. thats the name of the game when you try to run in any national caliber series.

 

I look at it as getting more recognition for the sport compacts....look at the crowds that we draw vs. top fuel and some of the other classes(V8's...dont know the name of all the classes)

 

NHRA has their profitable Powerade domestic series that can carry their Sport Compact series.
NDRA has to make it profitable to keep it going. Whatever it takes.
I do think they made a big mistake by dropping allmotor and goofing up hot rod.

 

Just that much sweeter when a 4 cylinder beats a V8!

If you lose, tell the V8 guy to remove 4 sparks plugs and let's run again......

 

what it really means is that the NDRA now wants their pockets lined. they want money point blank. they drop the 2 most competitive classes on the track so they have the potential to make more money. i really dont see alot of V8s coming over to a sport compact race anytime soon. seriously, if you owned a V8 domestic mustang or whatever, would you even venture to a sport compact event to race? i know i wouldnt. thats what seperates us all.
i hope the racers see this as a sign they are not wanted at the NDRA events. if someone shot down the 2 best classes in the industry i know i wouldnt go again.

 

if i want to run against v8's, I'll race at my local track on Sunday's. Most of us started racing 4 or 6 cylinders to get away from v8's.

 

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The minute they changed it from IMPORT to Sport Compact it went down hill.

 

I think that contrary to popular belief, NHRA does not rely on PowerAde to carry sport compact. NHRA Sport Compact, although it may not be a cash cow, is carrying itself. So it may not make a million dollars a race, I know for a fact that it pays for itself and then some! NHRA won't take money from Powerade and trickle it down to Sport Compact, it doesn't work like that. NHRA has the funding to pay employees to organize and run the events, they have the funding to do advertisements and promotions ( which ARE getting better ) and they have paid for the years of racing and payouts all without flinching!

NDRA is the same, but I think they are looking for any avenue that can create profit for their organization. NOPI is not anti-NHRA, NOPI is pro-profit, and there is nothing wrong with that. It is my opinion that NOPI, if given the opportunity to have a Powerade-like series, would drop what they are doing now to pursue that venue! Maybe I am wrong, but when you invite a competitor to run in the series which they have a plethora to choose from, then I think it is backwards thinking.

NHRA banned V8's from Sport Compact for a reason. V8's are NOT SPORT COMPACT!!! Where do you draw the line? Again, as some have stated on here before, if I wanted to see V8's, I go to Powerade. If I want to see mustangs I go to NMRA. If I wanted to, but I prefer watching our little rotaries, 4 and 6 cylinder powered cars blast down the track at speeds that make people perk up and pay attention.

Sorry for the ramblings, I just think that adding V8's into the mix is a bad idea, not bad for NOPI, but bad for our sport. I have no qualms with NOPI trying to get a pulse on a new revenue maker. We are all in business for that reason. I just hope that someone else here sees that it's not going to make things easier for the racers that enjoy building, driving and watching the real Sport Compacts race!

That is why our team is still running NHRA. We have 2 cars, one ProFWD and one All-Motor. If we went to NOPI, the All-Motor car would become a show car since there is no class for it. NHRA is a better choice for our team, but that doesn't mean that it's the right choice for everyone. All I am trying to say is that I am not bashing anyone with this post. I am simply stating my opinion and the details for our teams decision to run with NHRA. Hope everyone the best this year!


Modified by Mazda 3 Racer at 2:32 PM 1/26/2006

 

Can't complain about BOTI Always a good time here in the Midwest.

Oh... think about the name - Battle of the Imports.


Modified by ranta18 at 8:42 PM 1/26/2006

 

You hit the nail on the head with that one!

 

agree with ya on that one.. well i hope there wont be to much dramas in the pit.

 

I'd say V8's are fine, just make sure they run in FWD configuration or they can just back up to the line and run in reverse. What classes allow V8's anyway?

I wonder what this sport will look like in 10 years...

 

Pro Compact, Pro Outlaw RWD, Pro GT, and Pro Street Tire.

 

this sounds like chapter 2 of the prostock and c4 thread......and we know how that went . ....geez at least i can say this, the season of **** talking has already begun... cant wait for the first burnout of the season iiiiiiiiiiiiiiaaaaahhhhhhhh.....the smell of vht and rubber, they should make a car freshener that smell

 

BOTI and IDRC for me..they may not come around much..but atleast they didnt put up some goofy rules and take class's away..

 

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this is soooo true. i wish i could find a post from long ago on HT when i said the exact same thing.
i also wish i could find the old posts when i said our market overgrew itself too quickly which put the little man out, which it did. damn, i should be a god damn businessman instead of making the millions a year i make in my 9-5.

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i agree with david too

 

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Best statement I've seen all week So true as well.

Phil

 

[QUOTE=GHOSTWORKS]this sounds like chapter 2 of the pro stock and c4 thread......and we know how that went .

This has nothing to do with that. It has to do with v8's and how this sport is going in the wrong direction. It's not wrong that NDRA wants to make money and bring in people. I don't think by doing this will help. It seems to be turning some people away.