i just installed ITR strutbars (front and back) on my stock EG and even taking the corners as slow as 30 km/h the steering is way more responsive and feels tighter, it feels like its tracking on a specific course and isnt going to move out of it....if anything i gained oversteer with is good in theese understeering FWD's. i took the stock suspension to the limit last summer and now i feel as if able to milk more out of it...i cant wait till it dries up for some real hard conering to cee even more of a diffrence.

hate if you like....strutbars are a must for a cheap easy mod (non-pivoted is better btw) and ive even heard of cases of people not having strutbars and cracking their windshield in hard cornering due to body flex.

with that,
im out i have exams,

SRH

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Sleepy_Red_hatch &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i just installed ITR strutbars (front and back) on my stock EG and even taking the corners as slow as 30 km/h the steering is way more responsive and feels tighter, it feels like its tracking on a specific course and isnt going to move out of it....if anything i gained oversteer with is good in theese understeering FWD's. i took the stock suspension to the limit last summer and now i feel as if able to milk more out of it...i cant wait till it dries up for some real hard conering to cee even more of a diffrence.

hate if you like....strutbars are a must for a cheap easy mod (non-pivoted is better btw) and ive even heard of cases of people not having strutbars and cracking their windshield in hard cornering due to body flex.

with that,
im out i have exams,

SRH</TD></TR></TABLE>

Gained oversteer from a strut bar? hmm.......

usually people crack windshields in hard cornering because they hit something. usually it is big, like a deer.

 

never felt any real difference with front and rear strut bars (non-pivoted) in my experience. only with the addition of a rear sway.

but hey, more power to ya then.

 

i know my car's limits...i drive this thing everyday and i love corners, it loves corners as much as i do now, i cant wait till i get stiff suspension/swaybar/low pro tires and cee how much that aids in corners

 

acculy, my windsheid cracked because of body flex...i also have a del sol

Thanks
Stephen

 

Don't think some shocks are gonna make you ride like a Ferrari now.

I don't want to see a "I just wrecked my cornering machine" thread

 

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And I have strutbars, and just as much body flex / creaking / crackling as before I installed them. Did absolutely nothing for my track times, or steering feel.

 

Strut bars are for show. How are u going to say that your obviously bone stock civic loves corners, and then to say u throw on come cheap *** strut bars and u feel the diffrence is just crazy!!!! Get a real suspension and then see how your car handles.

 

i've always noticed a difference when installing strut bars, people who say they make NO difference obviously have no experience ( or no clue)

 

I don't know if I saw a difference in cornering...
But i did notice the car feels different when i hit bumps/potholes, back out of my driveway, these small types of things. The loud 'someone-punched-my-dash-when-i-hit-a-bump' sound was reduced when I added them

That alone makes it worth it to me. Now if only these helped my cheap-door-closing sound...

 

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I keep a track logbook, and they made absolutely no difference in my tracktimes. If they're such great performance enhancer, there should have been a difference in tracktimes. Tires on the other hand...

 

^^yep...the right set of tires make more of a difference than strut bars.

 

^ The driver makes the difference too...

All I know is when the bars are on...working or not, it definately boosts the confidence level I have in my car. Along with my Strut Bars I have the Anti-Roll Bars (which I feel work hands down) and may be why the Struts work or feel as they work.

As long as you know your car...its easy to gain results from just knowing the feeling of the car...bars or not.

 

Strut bars are very functional they come stock or type r's and other cars.

 

theres a reason theese bars came in the ITR ...they do make a diffrence...they won't inprove your track times if you dont push it harder....i had my car at the limit of its stock performance i had the perfect balance between holding the road and breaking loose and now it holds the road a little faster...but the real testing will be in summer time when i can actually go at it

now as far as oversteer, maybe not, but the steering is way tighter in the corners so less steering flex should mean more oversteering or just more neutral steering

potholes and such seem to be the same but honnestly, the real testing will be done in clear dry conditions....i have a sharp corner i usually take at 70 km/h (turning off of a parkway) and when im done, it smeels like burning rubber....so if a take it a bit faster and still no squealing....it means better handling....now honnestly, dont take my word for it, this is what i felt so disreguard at any time...im just real in touch with what my car is doing

 

strut bars stiffen the chassis, that is all. anything else that you think has changed is all in your head.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Sleepy_Red_hatch &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">now as far as oversteer, maybe not, but the steering is way tighter in the corners so less steering flex should mean more oversteering or just more neutral steering
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If that is what you want, get big sway bars.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by IHateJDM &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">strut bars stiffen the chassis, that is all. anything else that you think has changed is all in your head. if that is what you want, get big sway bars.</TD></TR></TABLE>

yup, big difference from strut braces are psychological only except for a very minor chassis stiffening...and i mean minor.

even big rear sway bars won't give oversteer unless you lift off the throttle or hit the brakes hard mid corner. I have a 22mm rear sway bar, 23 or 24mm front and thats the only ways to get it to oversteer...even with winter tires and stock suspension.

Strut bars, meh no real difference but any chassis strength is never really a bad idea, but I definately wouldn't waste alot of money on them. I got a GSR brace (same as CTR only black not powdercoated red) for $60cdn, more then I wanted to spend but figured what the hell. I already had great tires, coilovers, rear sway bar with bracing so this was last on my list.

tires definately will make a much larger difference, on doing suspension mods, strut bars are last on my list as everything else before them make a bigger difference.

let me reiterate....strut braces won't do a single noticeable thing for cornering, you want stiffer springs/shocks, good tires or larger rear sway bar if you want noticeable cornering difference over stock, strut braces simply will not do it. They will never add oversteer to a car...ever

 

I removed my brothers front gsr bar without him knowing. stock suspension. thing drove like it was a boat. he drove down the road and called me shortly after saying that something felt lose in the front of the car. He never knew i removed it until after i told him.

Placebo effect, i think not.

 

if thats your opinion, sure

 

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more responsive steering comes with less chassis flex. re-read my last post now.

*Edit- And remember that more responsive steering doesn't improve cornering speeds.

 

I cracked my EG's windshield cornering

Also, I recently received a Neuspeed upper strut tower brace for the front (the four-point one that mounts to both upper control arm studs). It gave me a bit more feedback in the steering - just the feel of it, really - but I didn't notice much in the way of drastic changes.

A little more feel in the steering is always nice, but I don't think I'd ever buy strut tower braces simply out of the thought that they would make a big difference.

 

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That's not his opinion. That's the way it is.

What sort of competition do you do and what are your lap times at major tracks? Let's see your concrete data and records to back up your claims.

Otherwise, it's all Placebo Effect.

 

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That's not his opinion. That's the way it is.

What sort of competition do you do and what are your lap times at major tracks? Let's see your concrete data and records to back up your claims.

Otherwise, it's all Placebo Effect.</TD></TR></TABLE>

heh...its not about lap times and ****, i even said to disregard at will. all i know is that i know my car like the back of my hand, and now, its stiffer and the steering is way tighter in the corners....i dont drive on roads courses, not yet at least and never with this lil stocker but its about knowing your car's limitations and just the joy of driving. thats it, i feel it, it IS tighter and enters turns more neutraly, so call as you will, you're the one that's not in touch with your car's handling characteristics. period.

and why the hell did honda slap theese bars on the ITR?? OEM rice? i think not.

 

i think if you put a strut on stock suspension, you feel it more than you would if you have upgraded sways, shocks, springs etc. but even if you do have a stock suspension, i would doubt you would notice that great of an effect. when i put one on my car i felt absolutely nothing. just my .02 cents

 

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so call as you will, you're the one that's not in touch with your car's handling characteristics. period.</TD></TR></TABLE>
That's funny.

I guess I won CSP last year because I am not in touch with my car.

Right.