what the title says

 

gredd thermo exhaust...shop around buddy you will find it

 

kteller.com

but you can buy my 2.5 mandrel bent one if you want

 

Actually most high quality cat-backs for our cars is 60mm piping which equals 2.36 inches. Keep in mind our many hours are spent on the dyno with these exhuasts, they are no bigger than 60mm for a reason, you don't want to lose power/torque and if you go to big then that is exactly what you are doing. If you are going turbo then yes you need more diameter but usually a good turbo setup requires a good CUSTOM exhuast not usually an off the shelf item (Just talking hondas though).

Just think about it like this, try blowing as hard as you can through a coffee straw and then try the same thing with a mcdonalds straw, then last but not least try blowing the same way through a paper towel roll?? It is the same concept with a car, to much exhaust and you just won't have any backpressure or power!!! That is why good brand name exhausts work so well because they already went through the hours and hours of trail and error to find the best power band for NA Hondas.

 

THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS BACKPRESSURE


With the larger piping, you start to lose exhaust gas velocity at low RPM, decreasing the scavenging effect.

 

Alot of the exhausts on ebay have 2.5" stainless piping..Obx,ss auto,tsudo,etc..That's the one thing they actually make thats very good..They even had an obx 3" catback for a 92-95 civic on there for like $150...Cant beat that although they kill you with the shipping,

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Mr.speaker &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Alot of the exhausts on ebay have 2.5" stainless piping..Obx,ss auto,tsudo,etc..That's the one thing they actually make thats very good..They even had an obx 3" catback for a 92-95 civic on there for like $150...Cant beat that although they kill you with the shipping,</TD></TR></TABLE>

OBX should burn in hell, they are the cheapest company around next to APC, there products insult the Honda name. Everything I have ever seen marked OBX has broken or performed absolutely horrible.

Friends don't let friends buy OBX!!!!!!!!


<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by hafftrak &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS BACKPRESSURE
With the larger piping, you start to lose exhaust gas velocity at low RPM, decreasing the scavenging effect.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Either way your statement says they same thing I was implying
same principle

 

The exhausts are decent though..Ive used them on all the hondas Ive had..No way Im spending +$500 for just a name and smaller piping..

 

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Well I hear you but you are not just paying for a name in this department, I would love to see dyno results when compared to higher qaulity exhausts. Something tells me that would really show the true difference. I have a more in depth opinion w/ OBX simply because I dealt w/ them for a brief period when I was working at a speed shop. It was only a brief period due to the lack of quality in ALL their parts and their lack of honesty and respect as a reputable tuner. Even their magazine ads are retarded as hell, have you seen what I am talking about? everything they sell is labled as "technology" like that is suppossed to mean their knowledgeable, how the hell can they advertise "valve cover technology" w/ a straight face??:

OBX JDM lighting "technology"
OBX shift **** "technology"
OBX Valve cover "technology" &lt;that one really trips me out.
OBX Pedal floor plate "technology"
OBX breather "technology"

These were all quoted from their add in SPC mag. Now if that type of advertising does not screem "we don't know **** about cars so please buy our stuff so we don't have to get real jobs"
I don't know what does.

I have learned when you are in the sales side of aftermarket parts you really get to see all kinds of crap that regular customers are not aware of and it just breaks my heart. I am glad you have not had any problems w/ your parts but I firmly beleive that if you had seen what I have seen then you would agree completely.

To me OBX is just another company hopping on the import band wagon trying to make bank & ride it to it's bitter trendy end, they prey on the lack of knowledge alot of hondas guys don't have.

I long for the day the Import "Trend" dies and some other trend takes over leaving only true die hard enthusiasts left to the import world (mainly Hondas of course). This way the only manufactures the market will support will be the ones that really know WTF they are doing.

Damn that turned into quite a rant!

 

I understand exactly where you're coming from and know obx has a bad rep,but I figured how ******* dumb would you have to be if you couldnt even make some bends and weld it together?..So I gave it try and it worked out ok..If I was a rich man I would buy every single aftermarket exhaust for our cars..Take every one to the dyno and do videos of every exhaust and measure sound ..

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Mr.speaker &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I understand exactly where you're coming from and know obx has a bad rep,but I figured how ******* dumb would you have to be if you couldnt even make some bends and weld it together?..So I gave it try and it worked out ok..If I was a rich man I would buy every single aftermarket exhaust for our cars..Take every one to the dyno and do videos of every exhaust and measure sound ..</TD></TR></TABLE>

Man it sucks that money rules the world!!! I am right there w/ you. My problem is since I have seen the things I have I can't cheap out and because of that my car is always less modified than i would like but I just keep telling myself to be patient because if i don't make it in this life then I will be rollin like crazy drag racing Jesus in my Mclaren F1 (of course I would still have every honda I ever dreamed of) man that sounds like paradise to me.

 

Lots of OBX products work great.There diffs,exhaust etc.You need to learn to be able to pick out a good product from a bad one.Bandwagon hating just makes you look look like a dumb ricer.A dyno comparision of exhaust systems is pointless as they all make the same or so little difference it is irrelevant.

 

thanks for all ur help

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by pgmatt &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Lots of OBX products work great.There diffs,exhaust etc.You need to learn to be able to pick out a good product from a bad one.Bandwagon hating just makes you look look like a dumb ricer.A dyno comparision of exhaust systems is pointless as they all make the same or so little difference it is irrelevant.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Well if you would have read my post thoughly you would see I have had 1st hand experience with then I am not "bandwagon hating". OBX sucks and if you don't feel that way I am sorry, to each his own.

 

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Well if you would have read my post thoughly you would see I have had 1st hand experience with then I am not "bandwagon hating". OBX sucks and if you don't feel that way I am sorry, to each his own.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I don't think you can group ALL obx products into one category. Just like every other company out there, I'm sure they source out a lot of their work...some of it sucks, but some of it is pretty descent (diff's and cams for ex.).

Anyway, if it were me, I would get the k-teller 2.5 mandrel bent stuff and weld it myself, or have a buddy to it

 

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I don't think you can group ALL obx products into one category. Just like every other company out there, I'm sure they source out a lot of their work...some of it sucks, but some of it is pretty descent (diff's and cams for ex.).
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Now that is a scary thought, I am also sure they farm out some or most of their work but that does not mean the quality is good. The diffs and cams are what would REALLY scare me! A short shifter or exhaust is one thing but if you break a cam or diff then good by Motor and tranny, I am not ABOUT to trust my motor to a company with so much negative feedback. I just really hope none of you guys get burned and get stuck with a busted motor/tranny due to lack of quality. When a part is $200-$300 cheaper than the original that works AWESOME you have to wonder what corners they are cutting to still make a profit on such cheap stuff? The more you learn about these products the more you learn how much can go wrong if not built right. Maybe their cams and diffs are ok (But I doubt it) but I am not about to gamble with such a company, some food for thought

 

OBX diff is ten times stronger than Honda one and I installed one to fix the weak link in the tranny.I have broken way to many crappy Honda diffs.

 

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Well I never tried or have never known anybody with one so I can't say first hand either way. Good to hear something seems to work right from them. I still don't trust them though and probably never will, when I go LSD if not OEM Type R then I will Go Quiafe. More expensive I know but I will also have peace of mind

 

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Well I never tried or have never known anybody with one so I can't say first hand either way. Good to hear something seems to work right from them. I still don't trust them though and probably never will, when I go LSD if not OEM Type R then I will Go Quiafe. More expensive I know but I will also have peace of mind </TD></TR></TABLE>

I've heard from multiple sources the quaffe is identical to the obx, same with the obx cams being identical to the skunks. If paying the extra $500 helps you sleep at night, go right ahead my friend. I'll take the cheaper part, stick the extra $500 into my car and watch you through my rearview mirror.

 

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I've heard from multiple sources the quaffe is identical to the obx, same with the obx cams being identical to the skunks. If paying the extra $500 helps you sleep at night, go right ahead my friend. I'll take the cheaper part, stick the extra $500 into my car and watch you through my rearview mirror. </TD></TR></TABLE>

My thoughts exactly.

 

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I've heard from multiple sources the quaffe is identical to the obx, same with the obx cams being identical to the skunks. If paying the extra $500 helps you sleep at night, go right ahead my friend. I'll take the cheaper part, stick the extra $500 into my car and watch you through my rearview mirror. </TD></TR></TABLE>


That $500 won't do much good if you cam breaks in 1/2 (which I have seen), the only image in your rearview then would be the tow truck pulling up to take you away.

 

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I've heard from multiple sources the quaffe is identical to the obx, same with the obx cams being identical to the skunks. If paying the extra $500 helps you sleep at night, go right ahead my friend. I'll take the cheaper part, stick the extra $500 into my car and watch you through my rearview mirror. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Ok I know nothing about the obx lsd,,but the cams screwed up my friends motor..I inststalled their stage 1's correctly and they were good for a while but they literally ate the rocker arms..So I wouldnt recomend them,,however when skunk2 started making cams they had problems to so..And some people had crowers snap in half..

From now on I'll stick with oem,toda,buddy club,rockets or custom cams..

 

"That $500 won't do much good if you cam breaks in 1/2 (which I have seen), the only image in your rearview then would be the tow truck pulling up to take you away."

That is some funny stuff!

 

I think the reason I wouldn'd buy a cheap part is because I would want to take my sweet time buying the best parts I could get.
Some people are impatient so they spread the money around to get more parts, which is cool but when you see the pics of the maDD tItE $50 header rusting to hell as soon as the first heat cycle is done it just makes me think why not buy the best out there?
I mean it would last longer and preform better.

 

I stand by my obx exhaust. Sounds awesome and still shiny to this day. (I also have a nice obx cam gear which has given me no problems.)