Whats up,
I hope not to get flamed for this post, but I recently just came up with a thought for a track demon Idea. First of all I have already spent over 18000 on previous builds and current build to only have a blown motor as an end result. SO I started thinking that longevity is as important as being an extreme horse power. then I came up with a thought to make my car unique and competitive road course racer.
I was thinking on swapping in an acura TL or 3.2cl type s motor, aiming it to be a mid-engine rear drive with a supercharger added to the motor. One of my concerns is weight distribution that would effect the handling of the car in a road coarse setting. I am familiar that this is huge transformation for the car, but If I have already dumped in 18000(only to get a blown 5th motor); Then this cant be such a bad Idea. The Cl type s is front drive, 6 speed is for front drive, is 260 crank hp with out supercharger. But because balance and handling is a high priority then I am wondering is there a place that can offer such a swap and be able to custom the exhaust,air intake, cooling and motor mounts that would place the v6 in an optimal placement for uncompromized Handling??? Also Is it even a better choice then using a bseries built up turbo and then make it a MIdengine rear drive civic delsol? Uniqueness is not as important and track performance.
ROn with blue delsol.

 

good luck man, sounds almost as crazy as my idea of Sol2k... s2k engine, tranny, axles etc. and throw it in a del sol to make it FR and all those other goodies that are in the s2k

 

Last sentence was screwed up, The correction is ( uniqueness is not as important as track performance.
Thanks,
Ron with blue delsol

 

Your not going to find a shop to do this. This is something that you're going to have to do yourself. If you're asking for a place that'll do it you need to let this pipe-dream die. If you are going to do it yourself then just do it and make a thread showing your progress.

This is the 2nd pipe-dreamer thread this week. First was some fucktard wanting to put a non-existant Viper motor into a Civic.

 

Thanks for your input, would be interesting if it was actually possible. But if it is I am there. I am probably at my limit for posts for the day, I am a nOOb so I will check back in 2 days, that is when my trial is over. But I also thought of the s2000 swap. That is just as tempting as what I am thinking of. I am sure the fabrication would be just as complex as mine. To me both options have equal merrit. Thnks again,
ROn with blue delsol

 

like i said with the viper motor in an integra: with mechanical and welding skills, pretty much anything is possible

 

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well, the viper motor is physically too larger to fit in a civic chassis, and I'm not sure if a v6 would fit in the trunk of a sol. sure, with enough money anything is possible, but that doesn't mean the ends justify the means. there's a guy who put an h22 in the trunk of his sol on this board, you should search for his name and send him a pm. He would probably have a lot of useful insight for you.

 

yea that viper engine was a joke. if you look carefully at it, theres no room for the suspension.

That one guy put a H22 in the middle of his del Sol, and like in his garage, no shop, just ****** started welding his own frame. I think a V6 in the back is very doable, however chopping the front of a civic off is gonna be harder, and choppin the front of a CL off may not fit. Your all custom on this one.

 

what kind of track performance are you talking. Already the slo sorry sol is a bad choice. It's heavier than most civics and it's not rigid. And now you want to shove a big *** engine and supercharger in the back of it. When you get done that things gonna weigh 3000 lbs. Not trying to bust your dreams but if you want a mid engine car you can take to the track and don't mind spending the kind of money your talking about go get a lotus elise. Racing you want light.

 

piggy on steroids!! lol goodluck, sounds like a grip of custom fab!

 

Yeah, itll handle like its drunk, just like the Dodge viper! 700lb-ft of torque in a dodge frame.....weeee!!! I wanna drive one just cause its like straping a rocket in a tincan. You have no real choice in the direction your going, but your gonna have a lotta fun doing it!

 

you know what would fit perfect?...an acura legend v6...those are v6 set up like a rear wheel drive, but it goes to the tranny and then comes up to the engine and splits out for fwd...i think if you could customize some shift linkage, and some way to make it go forward instead of backward because of how youd have to moutn the engine it would be very possible to do

 

First of all I know that there are shops out there, that with the right price can fabricate motor mounts, as well as exhaust, and shift linkage(maybe mr2 Pieces to place the shifter in proper working order, but at a cost(possibly large cost) Some one mentioned that another delsol owner placed an acura legend motor in the rear, and Acura did produce a legend with two doors with a 6 speed transmission. I Dont exactly remember what litters it was but I cant imagine that that motor is much larger than the 3.2 cl type s. THe reason I am using the delslo, is because I went backrupt and had to find a car. I did a little reserch to find out what i would be happy with so I took a list of 200 cars to a local dealership and requested that they give me call when they recieve one. The first call was for a 94 delsol si(d16vtec), It took it for 3200.I started driving it then I actually liked it. So i started modding it to geT more of a rush, then I have not stopped since. I have raced the delsol almost stock in autocrossing and I ran with the group that was actually in a higher class, I won first place trophy. I was hooked on the sol, so I dumped about 20000 or more on builds and rebuilds as I blew up motors. The delsol that I was running was 2470lbs. DRY. approx 2690 with driver,fluids and motor swap and parts. I believe the acura cl type s motor is approx 150lbs heavier than what I currently have.

The performance I am looking for is Reliable performance and G holding Capability, as well as excellent slolom chariteristics. The mid engine should give me nuetral handling( provided that I get correct spring and shock set up) with the rear drive and torque should be able to enduce oversteer to help on the corners. the flexible chassis of the delsol would allow better suspension travel and ride along on the imperfections of the track or regular road. So the delsol is not the worst of the worst of civics. but it definately flexs more than I like. I have spent alot of money to do the best I can to minimize the flex. Roll cage is in the future inorder to tighten things up a bit. weight is the enemy for a stock delsol as much as my delsol but I dont want to buy another civic and transplant every thing that I have into that civic. just want to make my car do what I want it do and add HP and handling to the equation. I know that if you buy a crx 88 and mod the crap out of it or a hatch would be the most ultamate but trying to make mine to do the same.
Thanks to everyone for there imput,
ROn with blue delsol

 

i've never seen a legend motor in the back of a sol, it was an H22 (4 cyl). the sol is actually a pretty good choice for a rear engine car, since the trunk is about the same size as the engine bay. If you pull it off, you'll definitely need a cage, which generally has to be custom made for the sol, but that's nothing to someone who can get a v6 in the back. I would bet it weighs in at around 27xx lbs when done. Good luck man, i'd love to see you pull it off, but I'm still not convinced the $ needed to do this is worth the result in the end.

 

ive never seen the acura legend engine/trans in the back of a sol, but when you think about it it would be easy, you would just have to find a way to reverse the way the axles are spinning, then figure out the shift linkage stuff, maybe get an nsx linkage and modify it to work with the car, or actually an nsx tranny should bolt up since the legend is a c30 and the nsx is c32...heres a chart i found off a list of engines

C27A4 2.7 24V SOHC PGM-FI 2675 170@5600rpm 165Ho@4500 '95 Accord V6

C30A 3.0 24V DOHC VTEC PGM-FI 2977 265hp@6800rpm 224tq@5400rpm '02 NSX

C30A 3.0 12V SOHC V6 PGM-FI ?? ?? ?? '90 - '95 Legend

C32A 3.2 24V DOHC VTEC PGM-FI 3197 280hp@7300rpm 224tq@5400rpm '02 NSX

so if it was me i would get the c27 or c30 from a legend, just because you can most likely find those cheaper, i think we sold a c30 complete swap out of a legend for like $2k
then just get the drivetrain including shift linkage and the transmission from an NSX, then you have all the stuff you need to do it and all you would have to do is make custom mounts, and custom axles

 

yes it can be done

 

it could be done is right. to get your tires to turn the right way turn the engine around when you would be driving forward. i seen a sand rail with a superchagered accord v6 in the back of it. it would be alot of fabercation

in january 06 issuse of super street on page 098 there is a crx burning out?

i have heard of s2k swaps into eg's but never seen one done

good luck

 

either way sounds like overkill. 300+HP mid engine del sol for autocross? A little more power is good but not tripling it. Just put in a B16 or B18C. Both are easily modded to the 200HP range and would be reliable. Honestly I'm not sure how you went through so many honda engines anyway unless it was just do to oil starvation from all the turns.

 

Autocrossing is one of the type of racing I do, I also do road coarse racing and drive to work. I had a fully built d16 n/a,Had a b16 with nos,Had b20vtec, now I have a mostly built b18 block(2.0liter)b16a3 head. Eagle rods and JE pistons(11.5-1)COmetic head gasket,Arp head studs, Skunk2 head complete, msd ignition benson sleeved block, moroso 5 quart baffled oil pan Gsr Pwr radiator fal fans, mieser electric water pump 310 injectors aem fuel ruel rail,fpr and holy intank fuel pump. Hondata s200. checked oil regularly on latest build, something leaked my oil out on the b20vtec(defective vtec silinoid is suspect) Zex nos took out my built d16 and my b16. All Incidences happened on the street not the track.
This last build somehow the timing or something caused the piston to collide with the valve, the piston shatered and debri was sucked up through the valve opening into the Intake manifold then redistributed to the rest of the block. Found metal chunks in all cylenders and intake manifold. So I quess I was stretching to find something with power and reliabitiy with out switching cars. after owning the car, I feel like my other rides just dont compare to Passion I feel for this one. I currently own 88 conquest tsi,2000 maxima,1992 gsx and my94 delslo. I also call it the delslo. My other option is to salvage what I have and build up again with a few changes to internals and place that builds it and possible turbo charge.
If I cannot find a sure reliable way to race competively against bigger foe then, my options is find a big engine that is reliable and powerful, the cl type s with lite psi suppercharger is proven to be powerful and reliable and with the trunk that is almost as big as the front, the wideth of the engine probably is about the same as dohc 4, with a wieght penalty of about 150 extra pounds but nuetrally placed,
then maybe I can get what I am looking for. Not to mention the "AWE Factor" or as others say bling bling. If I have spent about around 20000 inparts and labor,
that may make it easy to eat what it might cost to do this prodject. It would make it cheeper IF i could find a person or a shop that has done this, or similar to this, due to the fact that they may have parts, measurements or procedures.
Or Find a shop that can take everything that I currently have, that has a bullet prof rep and will back up there work. I still have love for the front engine front drive delsol.

 

I really appreciate your research,
although I do have a question, the Legend motor is for a front wheel drive, I believe. The wheels drive forward off coarse. Now If I was to pull the engine to the back wouldnt the rear wheels drive in the same direction as it would in the front? IF that is so, why would I have to reverse the direction of the motor to make it run forward when in the trunk of the delsol? Not trying to be a smartazzz or a dumazzz. just want to know what I am missing.
Since I am a n00b, I only have 5 posts a day and I have used up 2
For those who said it could be done, who can do it. Have any links. I did see the link for the h22 midengine delsol, I book marked it. If there is no place, my other option is to salvage what I have.
If anyone, IF money was not a matter, where would you send a blown motor to get rebuilt, with a perfect reputation and backs up there work 100%. If you check the threads I have done ,you will catch one with my mods on my Gsr Benson sleeved motor. The engine needs to be rebuilt with turbo at 15 psi-high 6 psi-low, then placed on engine dyno. AT this point I am not looking at cost. JUst want to drive my delsol fast all the time. Thanks alot every one.
New to honda-tech but not honda. I do have vast knowlege on aftermarket companys suppling FOr hondas. did tons of reserch for every part that went into my car.
Ron with blue delslo.

 

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although I do have a question, the Legend motor is for a front wheel drive, I believe. The wheels drive forward off coarse. Now If I was to pull the engine to the back wouldnt the rear wheels drive in the same direction as it would in the front? IF that is so, why would I have to reverse the direction of the motor to make it run forward when in the trunk of the delsol? Not trying to be a smartazzz or a dumazzz. just want to know what I am missing.</TD></TR></TABLE>


well to put the engine in the back its going to have to be done backwards, so instead of the tranny pointing towards the back it would be pointing towards the front, so in the gears it would just be going backwards...your best bet IMO would be to get the
C27A4 from a '95 Accord V6 engine or the C30A from a '90-'95 legend, and then couple it with NSX transmission and axles, mostly because those engines are going to be cheaper and easier to find then an NSX engine...i can even get you the C30A from a legend