...Just came in ! 2 day shipping from Cali to Toronto Canada ! wow !They come in red as well, but were all out.
I'm gonna install them on the front of my Omni's.







here's a red one

 

lol, nice new color. more bling!

wait? youre going to use them with omnis? the shock body dont fit inside the top hat. which makes it worthless for you.

and quite frankly, why should you even need these with omnis? the whole lower cup design is supposed to eliminate the need for extra top hats.... yeah, its a rhetorical question, i know your story...

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Tyson &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">lol, nice new color. more bling!

wait? youre going to use them with omnis? the shock body dont fit inside the top hat. which makes it worthless for you.

and quite frankly, why should you even need these with omnis? the whole lower cup design is supposed to eliminate the need for extra top hats.... yeah, its a rhetorical question, i know your story...</TD></TR></TABLE>

The shock body doesnt have to fit... it just makes the stroke of the shock longer.

so your telling me this part doesnt fit ?


isnt it just the skinnier part of it that has to fit ?

 

Rob, just wait and install them with the Teins

 

for what?

think about what a top hat is for.

heres a clue.



if the shock body DOES fit, then im wrong and its all ok. check...

 

History
(10:57 AM 1/18/2006) Rob.: are you 100% sure they dont fit omni's ?

(10:57 AM 1/18/2006) Rob.: the seem to fit almost all coilovers

(10:58 AM 1/18/2006) Tyson: check if the body fits inside. im not sure, i dont own omnis, but i dont think so.

(10:59 AM 1/18/2006) Rob.: what do you mean "body" ?

(11:00 AM 1/18/2006) Rob.: make an arrow in my pic as to what part you think doesnt it..

(11:02 AM 1/18/2006) Tyson: shock body. the white tubular thingy in my pic????

(11:03 AM 1/18/2006) Rob.: oh.. that part doesnt have to fit bro..

(11:03 AM 1/18/2006) Rob.: it'll never ever go down that low ! haha

(11:04 AM 1/18/2006) Tyson: if it doesnt fit, then what does it do?
it HAS to fit! thats the point, bro.



dont IM me. lets talk in public for everyone to figure this out.

 

the shock body (white part) really doesnt have to fit inside the Top hat..LoL...
IT'S JUST THE PISTON INSIDE THE SHOCK BODY THAT HAS TO FIT INSIDE THERE.

 

so what happens when the shock body bottoms out on the bottom of the top hat? (because it cant fit inside)

ill say this now, hopefully youll understand this later. all you will accomplish is shortening your shock travel with this if the shock body doesnt fit inside.

 

we'll see what happens when I go install them tomorrow.
I dont think the shock body comes close to making contact with the top mounts man. The lower lip on the GC top mounts is for the rubber top hats (black round peices).

 

they seem to fit TEINS.

 

so then what does the extended top hat accomplish?

change the stroke position?

IRRELEVANT! the shock doesnt care where it is in the stroke.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Tyson &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">so then what does the extended top hat accomplish?

change the stroke position?

IRRELEVANT! the shock doesnt care where it is in the stroke.</TD></TR></TABLE>

The extended top mounts relocates shock upward 24mm to allow extra suspension travel. The shock "piston" , not the "body"

 

so how does it accomplish extra SHOCK travel?

where is the extra travel coming from? what is traveling? the shock body (and lower control arm) travels.

if the shock doesnt fit inside the top hat, then theres no added shock travel. its stopped at the gates.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Tyson &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">so how does it accomplish extra SHOCK travel?

where is the extra travel coming from? what is traveling? the shock body (and lower control arm) travels.

if the shock doesnt fit inside the top hat, then theres no added shock travel. its stopped at the gates.

</TD></TR></TABLE>

the extended top mounts are just regular pillow mounts , that are extended higher..
The diameter inside the mounts should be the same as OEM no ? thus allowing the shock body to fit inside, but I dont really think it goes inside the mounts at all ....
Thats why I only think that the piston goes inside the mounts....

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by PIC Performance &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">With a big enough compression, yes you will see cases where the shock body will enter into the tophat. With short-travel shocks this is not as likely to happen. </TD></TR></TABLE>


The omnis are a shorter stroke coilover/shock !

 

think of the regular oem shock and top hat.

remove the bump stop. lets leave that out for now. we'll come back to it.

thats your full shock travel, from the top of the shock body to the bottom of the stock top hat.

now imagine putting the static weight of the car. some of that shock travel is now taken up and the shock travel is reduced. lower the car with lowering springs, shock travel is even further reduced.

now put an extended top hat on the stock shock, with already lowered springs. which we assume now gave back all the shock travel lost by lowering springs. but how can that be? the shock will have to travel PAST the point where the bottom of the STOCK top hat first limited its movement.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by PIC Performance &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">With a big enough compression, yes you will see cases where the shock body will enter into the tophat. With short-travel shocks this is not as likely to happen. </TD></TR></TABLE>

it doesnt matter about "short travel shocks". what is that even? perhaps noob4life can explain what he means (i know hes reading this...) do you?

if omnis are really a "shorter stroke coilover/shock" then why do you even need these top hats??? (which was what i was asking rhetorically before)

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Tyson &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">so how does it accomplish extra SHOCK travel?

where is the extra travel coming from? what is traveling? the shock body (and lower control arm) travels.

if the shock doesnt fit inside the top hat, then theres no added shock travel. its stopped at the gates.</TD></TR></TABLE>


exactly.

Rob, the reason the point where the piston attaches is located 24mm up, is to allow the shock BODY to travel that 24mm up as well. If the BODY cannot fit into the tophat, there is no gain in travel. As Tyson said, its the shock BODY that moves up and down when your suspension is at work. Moving only the piston up does nothing to gain shock travel.

 

I understand what your saying, but it desnt happen, especially with Omni's that are shorter stroked shocks !



This pic that you posted doesnt happen.. it doesn't go down all the way like that...

 

it DOES happen. it HAS to happen, if it DOESNT happen, then theres NO POINT for them...

giving extra shock travel is to prevent BOTTOMING OUT. WTF do you think "bottoming out" means?

tell me, what you do think a shorter stroke shock means????

dont look at where the bottom of the NEW extended hat is, image where the OLD bottom of the top hat WOULD BE. if i showed you a completely bottomed out shock on a stock top hat, would you tell me thats not possible?

 

Tyson is right..

Actually if the body of the shock does not fit into the top hat, you'll actually lose some more shock travel thus bottom'ing out ALOT easier now instead of using the pillow mounts that came with the omnis. I have the same top hats using my tokico illuminas and they fit fine. But the omnis have a much bigger shock body then the regular, tokicos, kybs, koni, ect..

 

ok..so they wont work with the Omnis..
will they work with the TEINS ?
Will they work with H&R coilovers for ef ?

 

its just more like they wont BENEFIT using these with omnis. (if the shock body is larger than the opening)

and if omnis were even designed properly, you wouldnt even need something like this.

 

I just spoke with Jason at ground control, and he told me that the lower body never comes in contact with the upper mounts ! unless the car is really really slammed over 4 inches !

 

go with it then.

you really dont have to believe me. (or everyone else who agrees)


Modified by Tyson at 1:58 PM 1/18/2006