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Old Jan 7, 2006 | 01:31 PM
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Ok Supposedly the Intake helps save a bit of gas, Ok what i wanna know is, if someone could kindly point out which type (e.g. Short Ram, Cold Air..etc..) which brand (e.g. Injen, AEM, OFFBRAND, Etc.) My engine is a d16y8, I bought an off brand on, I really can't feel any power gains, nor does the Gas look like it's being saved...But the Intake piping and filter seem to be really well constructed...i would post a picture but i haven't unloaded the pics from my camera...Help me out if u can Please! THANK!
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Old Jan 7, 2006 | 03:38 PM
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your not going to notice huge power gains or or fuel mpg for that matter. you probably just gained 2-3 horse @ the wheels and maybe a mile a gallon. the power gains mostly because you have a sinlge cam engine with no other mods ect. if you are trying to make power of any sort I would not worry about fuel consumption and focus on making power. even though it is a single cam you can still make power with other types of mods. good luck
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Old Jan 7, 2006 | 03:40 PM
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i bought my intake for fun. not expecting any gains from it.

but honest to god, my mpg on my d16 went from 22, to 28.
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Old Jan 7, 2006 | 04:23 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ekcivic9 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i bought my intake for fun. not expecting any gains from it.

but honest to god, my mpg on my d16 went from 22, to 28.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I can tell you, it wasn't from the intake.
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Old Jan 7, 2006 | 06:30 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 11psiTurboSI &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

I can tell you, it wasn't from the intake.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Exactly. Intakes are not like exhaust improvements; intakes bring in more air, and to compensate, the engine brings in more fuel. Exhausts make the engine more efficient by reducing pumping losses and therefore increasing mileage. Intakes usually result in a drop of mileage.
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Old Jan 7, 2006 | 06:40 PM
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^^That and modding the car for fuel efficiency is just a bunch of utter bullshit. Congrats, you spent $800 on I/H/E to save $6 a week.

Using fuel efficiency as a reason to modify your car.
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Old Jan 7, 2006 | 06:46 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by SovXietday &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">^^That and modding the car for fuel efficiency is just a bunch of utter bullshit. Congrats, you spent $800 on I/H/E to save $6 a week.

Using fuel efficiency as a reason to modify your car. </TD></TR></TABLE>


couldnt have said it better
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Old Jan 7, 2006 | 07:38 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by SovXietday &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">^^That and modding the car for fuel efficiency is just a bunch of utter bullshit. Congrats, you spent $800 on I/H/E to save $6 a week.

Using fuel efficiency as a reason to modify your car. </TD></TR></TABLE>

I/H/E on your d-series is utter bs as well. $800 on I/H/E to gain 6whp?

Sorry I just had to say it.
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Old Jan 7, 2006 | 08:00 PM
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Tuning for fuel efficiency can be done if tuned correctly, you can improve gas mileage, using a UR Underdrive Pulley, quality header, exhaust, grounding kit, and AEM Cold Air intake. Also go with light weight performance parts, they can weigh a lot less than stock. Tune up with, Spark Plugs, Oil Changes, transmission fluid changes.
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Old Jan 7, 2006 | 08:05 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 11psiTurboSI &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I can tell you, it wasn't from the intake.</TD></TR></TABLE>

well then what was it from? (not trying to sound like an ***, im being serious)

i havent modified anything on my car. i always keep my tire pressure at 30, do regular oil changes / maintenance.

before the 40 dollar ebay intake, i drove like a granny and i only got 22 MPG.
after the ebay intake, i noticed that my fuel consumption had greatly increased even after going WOT a couple of times. usually around 100miles on the trip meter, my tank would be half gone, this time at 100 miles, the gauge was still at 3/4ths. i calculated my gas consumption after the intake and it came out at 28.3.

i dont know what else it could be from. anyways, im not complaining, afterall, who would be mad with an extra 6mpg!
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Old Jan 7, 2006 | 08:06 PM
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All you're gonna get out of an open cone filter CAI is a lot of noise. No power, no mpg gains.

The best way to increase mpg is to put a brick under the gas pedal.
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Old Jan 7, 2006 | 08:34 PM
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Yes yes, but an fully built block/head on a Dseries with stock I/H/E loses a hell of a lot of potential, as does a supercharged D. Not as much as a B, H, or K series, but still you're losing a good bit. So it's a building block.

Most people that only do I/H/E on D's say that they modded their car for fuel efficiency, which like I said is total BS.

My car will never see a track, there's no reason to be running 300whp on a civic.
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Old Jan 7, 2006 | 08:39 PM
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Funny, my D16Z6 with 263,000 miles on it still gets 33mpg. What the expletive are you people doing wrong? I drive that **** like I hate it.
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Old Jan 7, 2006 | 08:52 PM
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D16Y7. Stock 96 LX = 29mpg.

Currently...

D16Y7 with Y8 intake manifold, iridium plugs, synthetic oil, ebay short ram intake (ceramic coated), foam air filter, 21lb rims with high performance tires = 34mpg. Bone stock exhaust.

All of those mods just made the car more efficent.

Total cost (except rims and tires) was under 200$. With my driving, and $2.15 for gas, it will pay off eventually, but I have more power as well, and it sounds better. Worth it to me.

Can't tell ya how much each one did though for anything.
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Old Jan 7, 2006 | 08:54 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Archidictus &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Funny, my D16Z6 with 263,000 miles on it still gets 33mpg. What the expletive are you people doing wrong? I drive that **** like I hate it.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Yeah seriously. I get 37mpg combined with my 251,000 mile D16A6. I did a 2-day HPDE at VIR and averaged 19mpg for the entire weekend Stock internals, stock airbox, stock header, stock cat, stock exhaust.
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Old Jan 7, 2006 | 08:59 PM
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i got better milage after taking off an SRI and putting on a stock airbox... but the filter was dirty as hell on the short ram so that's why
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Old Jan 7, 2006 | 09:16 PM
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i dont think CAI or SRI brings more air to the engine.....it does allow it to get into the engine with less restriction and therefore less power loss, but its minimal really. Correct me if im wrong, but thats how i see it.
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Old Jan 7, 2006 | 09:31 PM
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CAI's are designed to gather colder denser air by being located in the front of the car. Funky thing is, when a car is running the air is ambient, so it doesn't really do what it's supposed to. Only true "cold air intake" is the Comptech Icebox... argueably of course. (gee what isn't in the car world).

SRI's are designed to allow the engine to bring in air... fast. If you've ever opened up your stock airbox, it's a mess. Once again though, the SRI is bringing in hot air. Thus needing less fuel because there is less air, thus increasing MPG. Only thing I noticed with my SRI was that it got damn loud when I stomped on it, and my engine also reacted a bit quicker. Nothing incredible, but it was a noticable difference in that it did react quicker. Probably why ricers think that they're suddenly getting 15hp to the wheels. Haha.

Affect is minimal to nothing on a Dseries, makes a bit of a difference on Kseries. It's a cheap and easy mod, and normally it sounds pretty nice. So, why not right?
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Old Jan 7, 2006 | 11:05 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by SovXietday &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">CAI's are designed to gather colder denser air by being located in the front of the car. Funky thing is, when a car is running the air is ambient, so it doesn't really do what it's supposed to. Only true "cold air intake" is the Comptech Icebox... argueably of course. (gee what isn't in the car world).</TD></TR></TABLE>

The air is ambient only if your at a stand-still or if your on a dyno, and even then they produce more HP than SRI's in almost every situation. Maybe it's me but Icebox's have tested poorly in dyno's when compared to AEM and Injen.

I don't know if anyone mentioned it or not but the only reason why you might have increased 6 mpg with just a new intake is if you never replaced your old air filter. Either that or if your old intake was bent or damaged, it might have been harder for your car to inhale air
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Old Jan 7, 2006 | 11:10 PM
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If you improve all of your little things, you get more power and MPG by making your engine work easier and combust better.

Some of you guys should take auto tech. Learn the basics first. I mean hell, I run 21lb. a piece rims and do 34mpg, most people on here think that is SO heavy that my car would be slow as **** from drivetrain weight.
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Old Jan 7, 2006 | 11:28 PM
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ok this post made it official...im going to build a fuel efficiency engine and sell it ...d13 block, d15b vtec-e head d15z1 intake manifold, and throttle body, ha, its like an inch wide
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Old Jan 7, 2006 | 11:55 PM
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Heavy wheels have very little effect on mpg. Infact my second super mileage vehicle we added weight to the wheels to improve the mileage (of course this is a coast and burn scenario) 1,100 mpg bitches! Put down a whoping 2hp at the crank (which was the diameter of a pencil)
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Old Jan 8, 2006 | 12:07 AM
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all that crap is mentally. you think you improved 6 miles a gallon but you were just trying to do it.

i got 40 miles to a gallon once with my 2000 si password jdm intake, dc 4-1 jdm itr replica header, and omni power 2.5 test pipe. i was on cruise control at 65.

that or you just drove on the freeway more than usual.
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Old Jan 8, 2006 | 12:13 AM
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bulllshit man.

You did not get 1100mpg, cause I go to SPSU and we hold the record with an official 748mpg on out car. Last unofficial record was CalTech breakin 1100.

But we got a new motor for next year. Its still usin the Briggs & Stratton block, but its a Honda head with OHC!!! And were gonna use fuel injection, cause they got a fuel injector that small now, we were usin the carburator from a weed wacker. Also using the coast and burn round a track, our tires are bike tires at 150psi. forgot what the rear (drive) wheel was. We didnt even do 1hp at the crank i dont think. Kept blowin head gaskets tho.

About my MPG, this is a consistent 34 ive been runnin the last year, cause when i got the car i couldnt break 30, cept on the highway.
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Old Jan 8, 2006 | 12:25 AM
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Right, redline, I guess you know who I am then and you know my car too. First of all my my old highschool had a record at 854 but whatever. The latest was a personal endeavor not SAE. In minnesota we have had multiple cars break 1,200 in the highschool events.
Not to thread jack, but I dont like perople callin bs on me.
No my 1,100 was not SAE official whatever, but the gas was weighed down to the mg
And no I'm not some highschool punk (highschool was some time ago) either, I design PDE's in my spare time

BTW: Do you like SPSU, i was accepted there (couple years ago) and was thinking about transfering next year.
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