1999 Accord.
I'm not terribly technical, so bear with me...

I think the crankshaft pully has come off.
1) How can I be sure it is the crankshaft pully?
2) How extensive would the repair(s) be?
Just a new pully?
New crankshaft?
New engine?
How much will all of this run me?

I'm very concerned about the cost & extent of the damage. Please share best & worst case scenario.

Thank you!!


David
Vegas

 

you think the crank pulley came off??? wow - just look in the engine bay; are the belts for the A/C and power steering still in place and tight? if so, the crank pulley is still there and properly in place.

if it DID come off:
best case: replace pulley, reinstall belts, you're good.
worst case: pulley fell off, pulley bolt snapped in crankshaft, timing belt came off afterward (very doubtful) and head now has many bent valves.

 

Take your pass wheel off and take a look under the splash guard, it should be real obvious if your crank pulley is off. Your belts are all attached to that so take a look at them also. What symptoms are you showing? What lead you to think it was your crank pulley?

 

I'm waiting to hear the reason you believe the crank pulley came off LOL
What's the 'rest of the story'

 

My girlfriend was driving her car on the highway Saturday. Just before she exited, she started hearing a loud rattle under the hood. She called me & described it & it sounded to me like a possible belt. The car was still running and able to drive (just noisy).

When I got there, one belt (the wider one) was VERY loose. The smaller belt is still snug. No apparent damage to the belts.

Trying to figure out why it was loose, I saw that the bottom-most pully (lower-right side as you look into the engine compartment) was wobbling back and forth when I tugged on the belt.

It is really hard to get my hand down there... But, the pully is still sitting in the 'slot' enough that it doesn't come right out. It also feels like the bolt/nut is still in the middle of the pully. I can't be 100% on this though.

One mechanic (that I don't know but was referred to me) stopped by to look at it & said that he'd start pricing to:
a) Replace the entire crankshaft, pully, belts, timing, etc. He threw in the option of doing the clutch too, "as it would be easier to do with everything apart."
or
b) Price replacing the entire engine with a used engine.

Both options sound VERY pricey to me & I'm not convinced that they are necessary. That's why I'm looking for some expert advice.

I know it is hard to be certain without looking yourself. I appreciate your input though.

MANY Thanks!!


David
Vegas

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by nvgremlin &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I saw that the bottom-most pully (lower-right side as you look into the engine compartment) was wobbling back and forth when I tugged on the belt.
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check to see if it's the Crank or AC pully.
Crank pully only purpose is to drive your alt/ac/ps
Worst case will be that the key somehow crack loose.
Buy new key and maybe pully. ( Change T-timing belts/water pump/etc. while you are at it. If it's due.) Crankshaft, probably not..

 

Definitely get a second opinion. Seems like this mechanic is trying to run up a bill, when he doesn't know exactly what's screwed up. Don't quite get some of the parts he is talking about changing. Did you tell him the clutch was going out?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by CRXb18Turbo &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
check to see if it's the Crank or AC pully.
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Thats what I was thinking too.

I friend of mine had his brother-in-law replace his timing belt on his Integra. His brother-in-law didn't tighten the crank pulley bolt down all the way for whatever reason and one day while driving the car just stalled. He said he looked under the hood and the belts were just hanging and he found the crank pulley on the ground. He called me and we checked the timing marks to make sure nothing moved. Went to Acura and bought a new key and bolt and put it back together.

If only one accessory belt is loose then I don't think it's your crank pulley unless something kicked up and messed up that one part of the pulley. It sounds more like the AC compressor pulley is messed up. Different cars but I've seen the pulley come out of the housing with the shaft and all before. Just did it about a month ago on my sisters Jeep, the power steering pump was going and then bam, the pulley and shaft shot out of the housing cracking the pulley.

Got a digital camera? Take a picture of the pulley that seems loose and post it here.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by nvgremlin &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">a) Replace the entire crankshaft, pully, belts, timing, etc. He threw in the option of doing the clutch too, "as it would be easier to do with everything apart."
or
b) Price replacing the entire engine with a used engine.
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holy crap. he's trying to pork you.

why in the hell would he say the clutch would be easier to do at the same time as the crank pulley??! the clutch is on the other side of the motor and has nothing at all to do w/ the timing belt or crank pulley. there would be no benefit as far as labor goes.

wait a minute: replace the crankshaft?!?!?!

don't ever let that guy touch your car again IMO.

if it did come down to replacing the crankshaft (which it WON'T) it would be cheaper to just swap the motor.

A picture would definitely help. Could be as simple as the bolt being loose. You can get to the crank pulley bolt through the driver's side wheel well with a 19mm socket & extension.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by notoriousB &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">You can get to the crank pulley bolt through the driver's side wheel well with a 19mm socket & extension.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Yep, should look something like this...

Took that picture when I helped a friend do a timing belt on his 94 EX but it should look similar.

 

most likely the crank pulley just got separated from the middle rubber piece i have seen it a few times,, all you need is probably another crank pulley.

 

Edited because what I was thinking was wrong.

Sorry about that


Modified by TouringAccord at 10:30 AM 1/4/2006

 

No that didn't make sense LOL the Alt/A/C belt IS on the big outer part of the crank pulley and the P/S belt is on the small inner part of the crank pulley;;; but the problem might well be the harmonic balancer has come apart and all that is needed is a new pulley

 

HAHA, LOL. I knew I was mixing something up, sorry about that. It's been a while since I've looked under the hood of an Accord. Gotten used to the single belt for the alternator on my hatch.

I'll edit my post so I don't confuse anyone. Thanks

 

Take apic and post it, if you take your pass wheel off the crank pulley is the leftmost one, you'll see a cutout in your splash directly in front of it, your power/ac is the pulleys to the right of it.

Either way, it does sound like that mechanic is trying to rip you, post up and we can take an E-look

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Chi &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Take apic and post it, if you take your pass wheel off the crank pulley is the leftmost one, you'll see a cutout in your splash directly in front of it, your power/ac is the pulleys to the right of it. </TD></TR></TABLE>

umm... are you looking in a mirror because thats backwards.

Unless your refering to a K series motor since I believe the pulleys and such are on the passenger side.

To look at your crank pulley you remove the driver side wheel. The crank pulley is the right most pulley and the AC pulley is to the left. The alternator is up a little and to the left and the PS pulley is further up and little to the left.

 

If it's a six it's on the pass side, unless you're referring to the 4, then you're prob right

 

I'm trying to post pics of the problem.
However, when clicking the "Insert Image" button, all I get is this: [IMG][/IMG].

Help!

Thank you!




Modified by nvgremlin at 11:41 PM 1/4/2006

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Chi &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">If it's a six it's on the pass side, unless you're referring to the 4, then you're prob right</TD></TR></TABLE>

ah, ok. yeah, it never was stated whether it's a V6 or I4, I just assumed I4.

Also, after this statement by the OP I would assume it's an I4...
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by nvgremlin &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Trying to figure out why it was loose, I saw that the bottom-most pully (lower-right side as you look into the engine compartment) was wobbling back and forth when I tugged on the belt.</TD></TR></TABLE>

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by nvgremlin &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I'm trying to post pics of the problem.
However, when clicking the "Insert Image" button, all I get is this: [IMG][/IMG].

Help!

Thank you!</TD></TR></TABLE>

yep, thats what it's supposed to do.

First you have to host you picture with an online hosting site like ImageStation or PhotoBucket.
Once you have uploaded the picture to your prefered site...
1. Right click the image and select Properties
2. Highlight the URL, right click the highlighted URL and click Copy
3. Then come back onto H-T and make your reply. When ready to insert the picture, click the "Insert Image" button. Then you'll see the [IMG][/IMG]. The you right click inbetween the ][ and select Paste. This will insert the URL inbetween the ][.

Should look something like this without spaces...
[IMG] http://www.pasteURLhere.com/withoutspaces.jpg [/IMG]

Hope this helps you.

Edit:
For some reason it keeps wanting to hyperlink the fake example I did to show how it should look so just ignore the fact that it looks like a link cause it only take you to a "Page Not Found"


Modified by TouringAccord at 7:39 AM 1/5/2006

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by TouringAccord &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Also, after this statement by the OP I would assume it's an I4...
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Aha, I saw that post and thought he was lookign at the pass side, so thought he might have been talking about the other pullies

BTW NV what engine is your car?

 

OK -

Quick update. 99 Honda Accord LX - 4 cylinder.
It seems that the crankshaft pully has come off.

Here are the pictures...

"Farview" is of the side of the engine with the belts & pully problem.
A - Is the pully where the problem is
B - Is a belt that was still tight. I forced it off to get better access at the bottom pully.

"Closeup" is the pully itself. You can see the obvious tilt. It is able to be moved/wiggled by hand. However, it can't be pulled out from where it is right now.

Hole is taken from the driver side wheel well. The hole is looking right at the bolt/nut of the pully that is tilted.

I hope those help.


One last item. I was told that if the car will turn over & start, then the crankshaft isn't ruined (so don't replace that). The car starts. The pully rattles a bunch though.


So, there you have it. What do I do?

Again, I appreciate everyone's input and assistance.


David
Vegas




http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/...rc=ph

If the pics don't display using the image link - cut-n-paste the following into your browser. It seems to work that way.

http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/...rc=ph

 

ok, well that is your crankshaft pulley.

Next thing to find out is if the bolt that holds that pulley on is either A) broken? B) fallen out? C) loose but still there?

Since you said it wiggles but won't come off, I'm thinking the bolt might just be loose but still be there not allowing the pulley to fully come off.

Jack up the car and get under the pulley and take a look. You may need to remove the splash shield to get a better view. If so, it's not hard at all to remove. There are probably about 8 bolts that hold it up there.

So find that out and let us know what you come up with.

Just because the car starts doesn't exactly rule out the crank not being messed up. If the bolt has broken off leaving it's threads stuck in the crank though, it's going to be hard to get it out, but it can be done.

Also, I wouldn't be starting up the car and driving it or anything because without your alternator hooked up, your running off only the battery and you'll kill the battery pretty quick.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by nvgremlin &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> B - Is a belt that was still tight. I forced it off to get better access at the bottom pully.
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you forced off the belt? probably not very good for the belt.

first thing to try IMO is see if the bolt turns. can you tighten it? if so tighten it up and see if the pulley still wobbles.

it may be as simple as that...

 

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like i said................ just put a new pulley in,,,,,,if you want to save money chk the local salvage yard