well im searching also for a EF hb,but are they hard to find and what should i look for.im also a 20 year old and wondering what u guys pay for insurance.i would like to find a si ef.but does the shifting and clutch feel of the ef feel diffrent from a 05 si (ep3).

i want it to feel close to my ep.

 

Waaaaaayyyyy different. The 05 EP is much smoother shifting wise and clutch pedal feel is way softer.

 

yea you have to realize that these two cars your talking about are almost 15yrs apart. The EP is a more comfortable updated car. But if your a "driving the car for the joy of it" person the EF is where its at. The ef has a more direct feel, you feel like your more in tune with it.

 

should i just tune my ep3,everyone tells me just to fix my ep because it will end up being a better circuit car for the weekends.i also heard ek's have a close feel to ep pedal wise but a bit rough on the shifting side.but what u guys think i should do?

 

I'm about to pick up an EF Si HB for a daily... they look like tons of fun to mob around in. I can't wait. I love the feeling of an older car... so much more RAW. As for track... both will make great track cars. however from what i remember reading about the EP3s... depending on the year. the Benefits of aftermarket suspension won't improve handling. I believe it has to do with the suspension arm geometry. Although I might be mistaken. if you plan on RACING, ie, Honda Challenge I would say go with the EF, parts will be cheaper.

 

Dude im the same way i was going to get a 06 rsx-S, but when i saw my Si, i remembered my roots and went back to ol' school. If you find a Si i promise you'll love it

 

yeah older honda are cheap to mod,my ep is an 05 and it takes $ to fix,but if i could fix one car it would be my ep.its just i dont want to totally diffrent cars cuz when u drive one of them more often the other feels odd when driven and i hate.i drove a crx before and hated it,when i got into my ep i told myself ill mod this baby up.but when i look at it i dont really want to mod a new 05 car with only 13k on it. i feel like im hurting a good car.it will be paid off soon also.this is hard for me to decide.

 

What you should do is just sell your EP. Buy an EF and then drop a K20 in there. Same clutch feel and everything your talking about. Even though it would only take a few hours. Or a few days to get used to a new clutch. If thats the only reason why you want a new car. Then your dumb. But EP's are slow. And Ek's Are heavy.
Get an 88 HF and drop a k20 into it. Same clutch feel as your EP.

 

haha yeh but IMO thats a waste of money. just build up a motor and get a hydrolic tranny..way less money and more practical..thats just my opinion tho so dont take anything to heart..

 

haha good call. both worlds into one

I agree, if your having trouble deciding which car b/c of the clutch feel??? thats tarded

 

i wouldnt sell my ep after just being paid off.if i had the money to build my ep i would.a fully built ep vs a ef ...the ep is a better autocross car and thats a fact. the ep is more rigid and has a stiffer stronger body like the rsx. and my ep will last for many years.i will keep my ep. i just want a side car to screw with when i autocross.

i guess ill get a used type-S which has a close feel to my ep,i think this will suit me better.

 

I would definatly recomend an EF I have driven a lot of cars and when you do the right suspension mods it will handle better than most halfway modded cars out there(IMO). I have a 90 SI with nuespeed springs and and ebay strut and tie combo and it is a little rough riding but it will take corners like a go-kart. I had a somewhat stock 91 std with da rear disks and 16's, when I autocrossed it people were telling me the car was up on 2 wheels(I couldnt tell at all) it held its own against a lot of the cars there(I.E. porsches, 240's, etc). As far as the EP's go I have yet to drive one but from talking to others they seem top heavy and underpowered. for what you paid for the EP you could have built an EF for half the cost and it would be more than track worthy. just my $0.02

oh yeah and my insurance is pretty cheap as well although I have had my fair share of speeding tickets.

 

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You're kidding yourself.

The ED7 is the car to beat for STS. Check the Solo 2 National Championship results and you'll see what I mean. The EP3 is uncompetitive in STS.

 

you should buy an EF and put your k20 in it.

 

i agree with targa250R completly. your out of your mind.CRX's are the best FF car you can get in auto X imo

 

Lol EF with a K20 is nice.

Have you seen the past couple issues of Honda Tuning? They have EG's (i know its not an EF) with K20's (type-r in one and type-s in another) that run 12-13's easily in the 1/4 mile. Also the EG hatch, K20 (type r) was autocrossing with other turbocharged cars such as the EVo and WRX and came close to their tail on the track.

It all depends what you want. But to base it on clutch feel, that's kind of retarded lol. But hey, everyone is different and I could understand that.

P.S. The ef is a fun car to modify and work with. It maybe have its knicks and knacks but just owning one and building it up is something to look forward too.

-Jon

 

thats scca...racing in america lol putting a built ef vs. ep3 isnt even fair.ep has a more rigid body. u dont have to do much to a ep pr dc5 body. older honda's dont have a stable body like honda's now days. many cars in scca have custom work on them.

for example lets have a fully built ef race car and a ep3 race car from england.the ep would by far be secounds ahead.ef is much older with much less.

i just want a ef or any other older honda to play with.but doesnt mean its a better car then my ep when it come to building.like i said before ...if i had the money ill fix my ep rather then a ef or anything else.just my car is really new...why touch it.

even my cuz from Argentina which is a tech and also his father works for Lancia/Ferrari told me the better choice is my car because of body thickness which makes it rigid at all times.and they know what they talk about they fixed a Fiat 128 race car for autocross and even does 11.5 in the 1/4.

maybe ill just wait till i grow into my car more and start to mod it bit by bit i guess.i also like DA's

 

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How is it "not even fair" when both cars are allowed to be prepared to the exact same rules? The EP3 will simply never be as good of an autocross car as an ED7.

Of course this is racing in America. Your location indicates you are in CA. Where else do you intend to race? The EP3 Type-R is not available in this country, and even if it were, it would still be out-autocrossed by a similarly-prepped ED7. Chassis rigidity means absolutely nothing when there is a 500lbs weight difference between the two with both being able to fit the same amount of tire underneath. The EF Civic/CRX has superior camber control due to superior suspension design and weighs far, far less - these aspects are more important in autocross than a rigid chassis.

Do you want a luxury car, or do you want a race car? I chose a race car, which is why I sold my EM1 for an ED9.

 

well a crx/ef are great by will need to be updated with a higher displacement to run with the big boys.its rare to see a crx of ef run its original b16.now it seems that these crx's and ef's need a ep3/dc5 heart...a K20A.in a dc5 and ep5 you can choose bigger brakes and wider tires.the only thing the ef or crx has advantage is weight not overall balance.the ep would win in under braking and and everything else. only thing i can see a ep3 loosing in is straight line speed which means not much in auto-x.


ep3 in a CTR shape with its original k20a and a ef or crx with its b16 or even in a b18 R motors the crx would lose.with the ep having advantage in braking with much bigger brakes and bigger wider tires....its between day and night.in japan the dc5 and ep3 as tested the ep3 is even faster then the dc5 because its well blanced.

ef/crx faster then eps si with k20a3 yes.but all tuned together ep is a mad machine.track times in japan shows this in a fairly stock motor.