i want to SC my 98 ex with stock d series motor (127 hp) (111 Tq) and i want to know what gains will be made in these categories?

 

you would see better results on a junkyard turbokit.

 

^^^ speaks the truth,

 

your saying JRSC would do nothing for me?

 

^^^

 

JacksonRacing.com has dynojetted sheets, but they're right. However a supercharger is more efficient with power, as a turbo will need to spool up before you feel the 'BOOST'. I like superchargers because they sound really nice and are a nice way to add some quick horsepower do a D-series. On a stock pulley I would say you would make around 165 whp and 145 ft/lbs of torque. The turbo setup is nice but I would save it for a DOHC motor...if you have your heart set on a supercharger just do it. However if you want to set times at the track, I would start saving up for a B18 LS engine and put a turbo onto it. A stock D-series is only going to hold 6-8 psi daily driven on 93 octane, so why invest all of that money into a turbo when you will hardly even tap its potential capabilities.

My suggestion:

Crower internals, Eagle rods, ARP studs, and a JRSC and you'd be making 185 whp which is definitely worthy of a 14 second car. Maybe 13 seconds on stickies and good axles...

 

well itll help your d some, but you will see much better numbers with a turbo kit and sc's are usaully only good up to 12 psi i believe where boost has a little more option and much more potenial, youll see much better fuel economy with a turbo rather than a sc

 

I just checked the numbers.

A stock D16 makes 100.3 whp and 97.8 ft/lbs.

A SC D16 makes 142.5 whp and 124.2 ft/lbs.

I thought they made more, but with a smaller pulley, you'd be quick.

 

yeah i wasnt some good low end torque, not wanting to race on a track, just for personal fun on the road

 

I actually had this decision with my H22 EJ. I didn't want to turbocharge it because I could find a used JRSC on eBay for $1200. I would've done it except for the fact that it wouldn't clear the firewall. I just like it because its rare to see a SC Civic. I run Mahle pistons so I was going to buy the smallest pulley available for the H series JRSC. Civic JRSCs are only like $1000 off of eBay and that includes all of the parts. You can't even buy a SS Autochrome P.O.S. kit for that cheap.

 

ss autos are like 700 on ebay

 

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O RLY?

 

I have a JRSC on my 93 Si with the D16z6. I love it. It is perfect for daily driving, period. It holds it own in the stop light city driving. Its not for a track Wh0re, but it will net you a high mid to high 14 on a SOHC vtec with IHE.

Your looking at about 155whp and probably about 165-170whp if you tune it right. It was easy to install and to maintain. I love the sound it makes, and it is pretty stealthy to the naked eye.

Honestly it was on of the best mods I spent on the car ($1000 used)

Research it here: The JRSC forums:

http://www.hostboard.com/cgi-b...f/110

 

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Also just for the sake of saying, I got better gas mileage with my JRSC installed. I get about 40-45 mpg, compared to 35mpg before. Everyone I know that has installed an aftermarket turbo on their car has gotten worse gas mileage.

 

Supercharger also has a shitload of heatsoak

Turbo- has less heatsoak and shown better gains

 

Yes a JRSC has alot of heatsoak when your pumping 10lbs through. It will never be as efficient as a turbo setup with an intercooler. Unless you buy and intercooler for the jackson unit. But like I said before this isnt for a drag car, this more in tune for a daily driven/city fun kinda thing.

Im not the type to argue about Turbos VS SC's, I drive a 1.8T GTI running 18lbs of boost I know that feeling and then I know the feeling of my SC'd Civic hatch. They are totally different. The SC is a more fun car for short distances such as daily driving, but when I want to do some serious open road stuff, the GTI is where its at out of both cars.

 

thanks for all the good info guys, looking on ebay cant find the SC kit...found 1 in the recycler tho.

 

http://jacksonracing.com


they are located in Santa barbra Ca i belive its Called Moss Motors, i bought mine direct from them $1995 also these things are CARB legal.

 

http://www.jacksonracing.com

 

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Your probably thinking of the JRSC high boost S/C package for the B series.

 

https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1214810

 

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No hes thinking of the smaller pulley that you can buy.

 

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Crower internals, Eagle rods, ARP studs, and a JRSC and you'd be making 185 whp which is definitely worthy of a 14 second car. Maybe 13 seconds on stickies and good axles...</TD></TR></TABLE>

If he's only going to be making 185 there's no need to upgrade internals. I do agree with the ARP studs, though.

If you want to go SC get the basic JRSC kit, see how you like it. If you decide you want to up the boost get your ECU chipped for Uberdata, get a higher-boost pulley, install a set of ARP headstuds, upgrade to some 440cc injectors, and have your car tuned with Crome or Uberdata.

There's no need to build a motor making less than 200whp as long as you have a descent tune. ARP studs are important, though.

 

what are ARP studs, searched and they just look like bolts? what do they do?

 

HAHA that just made my day..

ARP is the shizzzzznit. they make the strongest bolts on the market. Very good company.

Since you have to pull the head its recommended to get new Head bolts.. well Head bolts are 1 time use only according to the manual. So instead of goin to honda and dishing out 130 for some bolts... Order some head studs that way you can take off the head any time that you please