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Old Dec 12, 2005 | 05:54 PM
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Maybe someone on here can help me out. Don't know if any of you have run into this problem before. I have a 93 Honda civic SI coupe. I noticed the passenger side rear was sitting higher than the drivers side. If you measure the gap in rear wheel between the wheel well and top of the tire there is about an inch and a half to two inches difference. I put in a set of H&R sport springs and the whole car got lower but there is still the same amount of difference in gap in the rear wheels. The car was hit in rear passenger side with alot of damage. Some people have suggested that it could be a bent rear trailing arm, bent strut, maybe even something welded back wrong after the accident. Will an alignment shop beable to figure out if anything is bent? I would really like to get my car sitting properly before I put any more money into it so some help would be MUCH appriciated. Heres a couple pictures showing how big the difference is so you can really understand what I mean.



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Old Dec 13, 2005 | 02:11 PM
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have the same problem...
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Old Dec 13, 2005 | 02:44 PM
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It's normal. Mine does it in the front. The car's weight is not evenly distributed all around.
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Old Dec 13, 2005 | 03:22 PM
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My car does the same thing as well.
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Old Dec 13, 2005 | 04:15 PM
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The technical term is "gangsta lean".

Lots of Hondas do it. For maybe a more accurate measurement, measure from the ground to the frame rail or a point on the subframe. Fenders are quite flexible.
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Old Dec 13, 2005 | 04:38 PM
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totally normal.

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Old Dec 13, 2005 | 07:39 PM
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what can we do to fix the problem???
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Old Dec 13, 2005 | 10:00 PM
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Get coilovers and get the car corner weighted.
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Old Dec 13, 2005 | 10:02 PM
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do you know what corner weighing is btw?

it doesnt make the car sit level...
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Old Dec 14, 2005 | 12:25 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Tyson &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">do you know what corner weighing is btw?

it doesnt make the car sit level...</TD></TR></TABLE>

Agreed. I had my car corner weighted a few years ago, and it was not an even drop on all 4.
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Old Dec 14, 2005 | 01:00 AM
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Yeah, I've heard that that problem can happen with honda's because they were desigened to have the engine on the left and driver on the right wich distributes the weird more even. and since we have the driver and engine on the same side the drivers side sags more. But what doesnt make sence is that the springs arnt sagging. they're brand new. and is it normal to have almost a 2 inch difference? I've heard maybe half an inch. I was thinking of getting coilovers and just tightening the **** outta that side to even it out but was wondering if having them set that uneven will hurt the handling at all.
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Old Dec 14, 2005 | 08:31 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Travis_93EX &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> if having them set that uneven will hurt the handling at all.</TD></TR></TABLE>

It might, it might not. The only way to know is corner weights. Maybe it's wrong now, and it should be level for the correct cross weights. But maybe it needs to be uneven to be right, we don't know until you weight it.
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Old Dec 14, 2005 | 10:03 AM
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My car is a bit off as well.

By "a bit", I mean, the variance isn't more than about a half inch.

When I measure from the ground to the top of my wheel well, all four are between 23 and 23.5 inches.

When I measure the actual coilover they are all spot on equal to eachother. I figured it was just because of the weight of the car being a bit uneven. Nothing to really worry about, it's not even noticable unless you get out the tape measure anyways.

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Old Dec 14, 2005 | 10:08 AM
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if youre really desparate to try something, then reset your bushings if you didnt already. its actually part of the factory instructions.

to reset your bushings, put the car on 4 jackstands. take the wheels off. loosen the suspension bolts. put a jack under one of the suspension corners and raise it until that corner is off the jack stand. bounce the car a bit. then tighten. dont forget to tighten a bolt youve already loosened.
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Old Dec 14, 2005 | 11:52 AM
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I've never heard of doing that before. It does kinda make sence.
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Old Dec 14, 2005 | 12:29 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Tyson &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">if youre really desparate to try something, then reset your bushings if you didnt already. its actually part of the factory instructions.

to reset your bushings, put the car on 4 jackstands. take the wheels off. loosen the suspension bolts. put a jack under one of the suspension corners and raise it until that corner is off the jack stand. bounce the car a bit. then tighten. dont forget to tighten a bolt youve already loosened.</TD></TR></TABLE>

This man speaks the truth.

FYI the car wasn't level, even stock. You just didn't notice it with the 4x4 fender gap.
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Old Dec 14, 2005 | 01:41 PM
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No when I got the car I didn't notice it. I guess because it sat high all around I didn't notice the difference untill one of my friends pointed it out.
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Old Dec 14, 2005 | 03:05 PM
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I just took the car to a local alignment shop. They said that it is most likely something damaged. ie: bent rear trailing arm, bent sway bar... So I'm gonna bring it back to them. They said that they will check it out and ushally don't charge for inpsecting them unless they start really tearing apart pieces. They do seem really confident that they can figure it out and it's somethin pretty simple.
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Old Dec 14, 2005 | 07:25 PM
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Check and see if the springs are fully seated in their perches.

If the spring is twisted a little and not all of the way down into the perch it will make that corner of the car sit higher.
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Old Dec 14, 2005 | 08:17 PM
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Thats one thing that has come to mind but I've had 2 different sets of springs in the car and had the same problem with both.
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Old Dec 15, 2005 | 05:01 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Travis_93EX &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Thats one thing that has come to mind but I've had 2 different sets of springs in the car and had the same problem with both.</TD></TR></TABLE>

How many people do you need to tell you this is normal before you stop worrying about it?
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Old Dec 15, 2005 | 08:56 AM
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its normal. My 94 accord is higher on the driver side front then the passenger side.

its the opposite, but normal. nothing you can do about it.
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Old Dec 15, 2005 | 11:45 AM
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OK, I understand that it is normal for it to be uneven. The one side that is heavyer will sag more. Ushally this happens in the front because of teh weight of the engine and driver on one side and only the transmission on the other side. My car does that but it is only a difference of about 1/4". My problem is in the rear. And it is NOT one side being lower than the other. It is one side being 2" HIGHER. It has lowering springs in it but is STOCK height. It is not normal for it to do this. I would like to see someone show me one car that has lowering springs in it but still had one of the rear croners sitting at stock height. Nobody can convince me that its normal to put in a spring that gives you a 1.6" drop and STILL beable to fit my whole hand sideways between the wheel well and the top of the tire but barely fir two fingers in the other side. And you have to remember here were talking in the rear of the car where there is NO weight. It's not sagging because of uneven weight. There is something bent or broken causing it to go higher. I'll bring it in and laugh at all you doubters when I find out the real problem.
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Old Dec 15, 2005 | 03:14 PM
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wow, now that's a different story..
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Old Dec 16, 2005 | 12:51 AM
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haha, yea man. Thats what I was saying in the first place. I know about the sag becaus eof uneven weight and everything but it's not that. It's one side being jacked up. not one side sagging down.
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