Okay. I don't see what all the hype is surrounding b series. Why would you want to fork out so much cash for a motor that really doesn't make alot more horsepower. With all the money you'd save from doing a zc instead of a b16 you could turbo the zc, and tear a new anus in the b16. I ask the question, why a b series?

 

Potential my friend, potential. At the end of the day, you have a motor that you can rip parts from a million different sources, kickass tranny combos, and why the hell am I justifying this with a response?!

 

I'm not dissin anyone or trying to start a fight, i just want to know why b16's cost so much more. Can they handel more horse power? It just doesn't seem justified to pay three times as much if not more for a motor that doesn't make that much more power. IMO

 

B16A First Gen Longblock - 599$
DOHC Longblock - 575~$

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by dr_latino999 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">B16A First Gen Longblock - 599$
DOHC Longblock - 575~$</TD></TR></TABLE>

cant really argue with that. It's the mounts and linkage that get you.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by civicslayrx &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I'm not dissin anyone or trying to start a fight, i just want to know why b16's cost so much more. Can they handel more horse power? It just doesn't seem justified to pay three times as much if not more for a motor that doesn't make that much more power. IMO</TD></TR></TABLE>

Yes, b-series motors can handle more power then d-series..

 

https://honda-tech.com/zerosearch
^^the answer right here

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by civicslayrx &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I'm not dissin anyone or trying to start a fight, i just want to know why b16's cost so much more. Can they handel more horse power? It just doesn't seem justified to pay three times as much if not more for a motor that doesn't make that much more power. IMO</TD></TR></TABLE>

Yes, a B16A can handle more HP/torque than a ZC. And so can the B16A clutch, transmission, and axles. Simply put, a B-series drivetrain is much more 'overbuilt' (for an ED/EF Civic, that is) than a D-series drivetrain. After all, the B-series stuff is made for larger and heavier cars than the D-series stuff. So it is MUCH more heavy duty.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by civicslayrx &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I'm not dissin anyone or trying to start a fight, i just want to know why b16's cost so much more.</TD></TR></TABLE>

The B16 is just another animal altogether. It was available from the factory in versions that went all the way up to 185 HP out of the showroom.

The parts are stressed differently, and major parts are built differently and more strongly.

Part of your answer, though, is that they are just popular enough to keep the prices higher. People just want them because they typify the OG Honda driving experience, a screaming red liner with a lot of power up high that's just a blast to drive.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by George Knighton &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">It was available from the factory in versions that went all the way up to 185 HP out of the showroom.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Actually, the most powerful B16A made is the JDM SIRII. This B16A produced only 170HP, though. The 185HP motor you speak of is the B16B. And the B16B is actually a destroked B18C5, not a 'hot' B16A. It actually uses the taller P72 block rather than the B16A PR3 block.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by George Knighton &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Part of your answer, though, is that they are just popular enough to keep the prices higher. People just want them because they typify the OG Honda driving experience, a screaming red liner with a lot of power up high that's just a blast to drive.</TD></TR></TABLE>

The cost is not really high due to popularity. As someone previously said, a B16A longblock costs about as much as a ZC longblock. Rather, the cost of a B16A swap is higher due to the fact that you also need to buy a mount kit, along with a different transmission, axles, shift linkage, etc. In other words, it is really just the ability to use most of your existing hardware (transmission, axles, shift linkage, etc.) that keeps the cost of D-series swaps down.

 

so what your saying is i could get a motor for the same price. It's the running gear thats gonna kill me. gotcha. I myself plan on doing a turboe'd zc (my cars mainly going to be show), due to the fact that I've always wanted a turbo. While I'm here, how bad will my car suck with the hf tranni?

 

making a crx a show car ..

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by civicslayrx &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">so what your saying is i could get a motor for the same price. It's the running gear thats gonna kill me. gotcha. I myself plan on doing a turboe'd zc (my cars mainly going to be show), due to the fact that I've always wanted a turbo. While I'm here, how bad will my car suck with the hf tranni?</TD></TR></TABLE>

Why even waste the money boosting it if its gonna be a show car...wait WTF am I talking about, my old car was a boosted show car The boost came after the show days, and it was an EM1.

I don't see where everyone is saying the motors are the same price. My B16 longblock w/ dizzy from HMO was $900 shipped (if I remeber correctly), DOHC ZC is $700

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by StorminMatt &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Actually, the most powerful B16A made is the JDM SIRII. This B16A produced only 170HP, though. The 185HP motor you speak of is the B16B. And the B16B is actually a destroked B18C5, not a 'hot' B16A. It actually uses the taller P72 block rather than the B16A PR3 block.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Yet this motor hit the streets in the EK CTR, right?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by crxsi8 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">making a crx a show car ..</TD></TR></TABLE>
Not a full show only car. If i want to run 12's I'll jump in my nova thank you. My crx is my daily driver (Well i'm on a 6 month suspension right now) and I'm tired of driving around in a **** box (not crx's in general, mine is a pos). I *keyword* want to turbo my car, I like the sound, i like teh way they spool, I just am a turbo ****. I'm NOT building my car to be a super fast autocrosser, i just want a quick car to run around in. Some may hate it, but I'm putting in 2 15's and fiberglassin my hatch in. Lambo doors, fiberglass fenders, corbue racing seats. (yes i know that i can't spell) It's not going to be a race car, just something to drive thats got some power to it. And NO im not putting on 24's and ****, im not a ricer. I just want a good looking car. And i happen to want to turbo it, so go play tidlywinks.


Modified by civicslayrx at 7:27 PM 12/9/2005

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by civicslayrx &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
I *keyword* want to turbo my car, I like the sound, i like teh way they spool, I just am a turbo ****. I'm NOT building my car to be a super fast Some may hate it, but I'm putting in 2 15's and fiberglassin my hatch in. Lambo doors, fiberglass fenders, corbue racing seats. (yes i know that i can't spell) It's not going to be a race car, just something to drive thats got some power to it. And NO im not putting on 24's and ****, im not a ricer. I just want a good looking car. And i happen to want to turbo it, so go play tidlywinks.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Sounds like this is pretty easy to do, it gets the spool sound and BOV sound

 

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QUOTE=civicslayrx]Okay. I don't see what all the hype is surrounding b series. Why would you want to fork out so much cash for a motor that really doesn't make alot more horsepower. With all the money you'd save from doing a zc instead of a b16 you could turbo the zc, and tear a new anus in the b16. I ask the question, why a b series?[/QUOTE]


B16a has a boat load of more potential and aftermarket support

The fast zc i saw is liams with around 350whp (i believe)
boostfed made around 680 with a stock stroke b16a

and btw my turbo b16a would rip your turbo zc and new anus as you put it. so dont come on here and start a pissing match.

 

I'm not trying to cause problems. I know muscle, imports are a new world for me. My crx WAS a ricer. flat black spray bomb paint, black and silver painted stock wheels, cone filter open header. blue neon, and 2 12's. I'm just trying to decide wether to do a b series or a zc. I really just want to be able to ave a fast car that i can drive everyday (the nova gets 5 miles per gallon.). I want to have a turbo. Let this thread die. I know whats happining now.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Autoworks &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Why even waste the money boosting it if its gonna be a show car...wait WTF am I talking about, my old car was a boosted show car The boost came after the show days, and it was an EM1.

I don't see where everyone is saying the motors are the same price. My B16 longblock w/ dizzy from HMO was $900 shipped (if I remeber correctly), DOHC ZC is $700</TD></TR></TABLE> Show cars rock! ~Ducks bullets~

30020 - ZC 88-92 (Civic) DOHC Long Block
129Hp 106Trq 9.6 Compression(JDM)
$ 525.00 Plus shipping and handling.

30021 - B16A 88-91 (SiR I) Long Block
160Hp 111Trq 10.2 Compression (JDM)
$ 599.00 Plus shipping and handling.

 

yeah, but then you need a tranni, knuckles, axels, mounts linkage... Oh and why in the heck are hasport mounts 400 dollars?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by civicslayrx &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">yeah, but then you need a tranni, knuckles, axels, mounts linkage... Oh and why in the heck are hasport mounts 400 dollars?</TD></TR></TABLE> Hey, I'm just looking at the cost of motor per motor, not the startup cost of dropping one into your chassis

 

I got a complete b16 motor, mounts, and axles for 1g.

Hasport linkage, AND mounts. so I had to get it.

 

Since I've had both motors in my CRX I would say that the simplest answer I can give you is this...customization

The B16 has way more parts readily AVAILABLE than the ZC...I'm saying just that it is easier to find the parts to modify the B16.

On a side note though I still loved the sound of the ZC more as it hit redline though...IMO.

If you just wanna simple setup though it is cheaper to do a ZC turbo for instance considering you do all of the work yourself and piece together the turbo...but who ever wants a "simple" setup?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by civicslayrx &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Not a full show only car. If i want to run 11's I'll jump in my nova thank you. My crx is my daily driver (Well i'm on a 6 month suspension right now) and I'm tired of driving around in a **** box (not crx's in general, mine is a pos). I *keyword* want to turbo my car, I like the sound, i like teh way they spool, I just am a turbo ****. I'm NOT building my car to be a super fast autocrosser, i just want a quick car to run around in. Some may hate it, but I'm putting in 2 15's and fiberglassin my hatch in. Lambo doors, fiberglass fenders, corbue racing seats. (yes i know that i can't spell) It's not going to be a race car, just something to drive thats got some power to it. And NO im not putting on 24's and ****, im not a ricer. I just want a good looking car. And i happen to want to turbo it, so go play tidlywinks.</TD></TR></TABLE>

lol your not a ricer yet you like the turbo for the sound it makes and your putting lambo doors on your crx, get a f**king life.