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Old Dec 4, 2005 | 11:33 PM
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Problem resolved, Tim gave me 4/5 parts that were missing/broken, thats all I wanted, for flamers and everyone else talking ****, who had know clue what they were talking about (he forgot 1, not a problem) and told me how to clean the dirt, dust, grass, pine needles, small rocks, and shredded paper out of the head.. so everything is cool.. we have each others phone numbers now, so communication shouldnt be a problem, the internet isnt best for that..
Anyways, happy with the sale as long the motor runs good...


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Old Dec 4, 2005 | 11:41 PM
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bump for a resolution.
Old Dec 5, 2005 | 11:27 AM
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Old Dec 5, 2005 | 04:25 PM
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Sounds like you need to head back to Olympia, meet up w/ him and "resolve" your issues in person.
Old Dec 5, 2005 | 04:56 PM
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i'll vouch for tim. dealt with him multiple times without any problems. hope you get your problem resolved.
Old Dec 5, 2005 | 06:05 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by AzntaggeR &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i'll vouch for tim. dealt with him multiple times without any problems. hope you get your problem resolved.</TD></TR></TABLE>

you always have good transactions

good luck on finding him and getting a resolution. i see him post every once in a while.
Old Dec 5, 2005 | 07:44 PM
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hopefully this gets resolved
Old Dec 5, 2005 | 08:17 PM
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Old Dec 5, 2005 | 09:52 PM
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hope it works out ..

BTW .. everett isnt a 4 hour drive to olympia
Old Dec 6, 2005 | 12:05 AM
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Originally Posted by DivineCivic
On October 10th I talked with Timothy Whitney (ITR97-143) and we discussed that I was going to purchase a "complete" motor swap from him in 2 days because he had to take it out of his TypeR, now at this time he told me the motor had no problems, was in excellent condition and was up and running great, October 12th I drove a nice 4 hours to Olympia to meet up with ITR97-143 to buy a "complete motor swap", the deal was done, drove home, went to bed, and I reviewed the swap the next day, because it was too dark to review it when I bought it, I thought I could trust a guy who was somewhat recognized on Honda-Tech with good vouches,
First off lets GET THE WHOLE STORY....

when you first contacted me about the swap i had 2 one a obd1 other a obd2
And that i didn't have a obd1 ECU ... to make a complete obd1 swap I told you that I wanted 1k for the swap for either or...... you wanted the obd2 swap for your car and told me that you where jobless and broke trying too sell off you current swap a d16z6 that wasn't running all that well and get a loan from a friend or dad or someone ... and that all you could afford was a $700 for the swap... i told you too keep your money because i wouldn't sell it that cheap and to go check the local wrecking yards to find one because they go closer too $1200 and up even for a LS swap ... you later came back and offered me $800 for it and i told you i would think about it.... for a day or two. also you asked me would it drop right in your car .... i told you that you would need to get some parts like 99-00 block mount and timing side bracket along with a 99-00 civic si rear T-bracket so you could mount it in your car. and that the stock integra stuff wouldn't work .... also i told you that you would have to use your stock engine wiring harness because the stock integra engine wiring harness would be useless and you would also need
a jumper harness to run the motor because your car is a 99-00 civic which runs a obd2b wiring plugs.. and the ECU wouldn't plug in and work. i told you that you could run your stock ECU ... you told me that that was fine and that later on you wanted to turbo. i then told you that you would be better off getting a obd2b to obd1 jumper harness and ECU so you could chip the ECU for your turbo later on..... being a nice guy sense you where broke and hard up for cash and couldn't use some of the parts like mounts/engine wiring harness /ECU i kept it and sold you the motor at the lower price of $800.00


Originally Posted by DivineCivic
I was wrong.. There were 3 parts broken on the motor, and multiple parts missing that he said was included.. There was grass growing literally OFF of the motor, not to mention covered in spiderwebs, and all of the nuts on the valve cover were loose, so I took it off to examine a head full of dirt, dust, water and grass.. Now I notified him that same day that I wanted the broken parts replaced along with the missing parts he said was included, he told me he would have to look for the missing parts, and parts to replace the broken ones in his garage,

well first off you requested PICS of the motor before you came down to pick it up
you asked how clean the motor was i told you it had some oxidation and that it was dirty. i also told you when i got this motor that it didn't have a valve cover on it and that the car had been sitting for 2 years before i removed it. i also stated that there was a small amount of water that had gotten in the motor even though the car was covered by a tarp.. you still wanted the motor even after you saw the PICS which yes there was some dead grass on the outside of the motor ... not that big of deal SEE pic





Originally Posted by DivineCivic

I contacted him for about a month strait on Honda-Tech, AIM, and email, and they were all ignored, and then finally one day I got a response from his wife, saying Tim was going to take care of it, so I wait another 3 weeks, of being ignored again, and I get a response from his wife again about 3 weeks ago, telling me to send pictures of the broken parts, I sent the pictures,,
never once did you ever PM me on Honda-tech only email i ever saw was of the damaged crank pulley you had my cell # which you called to find out where we where meeting and called me to tell me that you had to go get the money and possibly take out your rear seats ... and that you where going to be running later then planned. every time i tried im'ing you on aim you didn't respond within 5 mins so i figured you were away ... and most of the time when IM online your off


Originally Posted by DivineCivic

And asked, "How did he have this swap running in his TypeR with all of these missing and broken parts" and she told me, that it was never running in his car, that it had been sitting in their garage for a few months, I requested to talk to Tim after that and Ive had no response for this entire time.
you talk to my G/f not my Wife get it Stright.. yes i did have that motor running in my car before i pulled it out for you to buy. also if you rember back i also have a obd1 motor its sitting on my garage floor. do you really think that my G/f knows all that much about everything that i have when she cant even change the oil on the car....

Originally Posted by DivineCivic
Tim your a little bitch, This seller is a scammer, and I've heard it from a numerous amount of people after the fact that I already bought from him, I will never be doing business with him again, and If I find where he lives, he's going to have a lot of problems..
Why don't you list all the people that have said that IM a scammer?

Originally Posted by DivineCivic
I either want my money exchange for your shitty swap, or the broken and missing parts, as well as for the head to be professionally cleaned
like a said before i have no problem trading you out the crank pulley and i have the t.c that i forgot to give you far as getting the head professionally cleaned
You bought the motor knowing that the cover had been off for when I got the car.
You knowingly bought it that way AS-IS ....

Originally Posted by DivineCivic
If I find where he lives, he's going to have a lot of problems..

This only pisses me off and and Makes me want to tell you to go Take a long walk off a short pier.

DivineCivic [10:02 PM]: when you decide to give me back my money, or missing a broken parts I'll delete the posts on H-t
RHDITR [10:03 PM]: first off why dont you post the WHOLE STORY
DivineCivic [10:03 PM]: Did I leave something out? I'll make sure to edit it
DivineCivic [10:03 PM]: expletive you scammers
DivineCivic [10:04 PM]: I talked with my lawyer and we're debating a time to summon you guys to court, so be prepared
DivineCivic [10:05 PM]: I'm telling you, take care of your business now, or your *** will be handed to you in court
RHDITR [10:05 PM]: i have not prob with exchange you the crank pully
DivineCivic [10:06 PM]: throttle cable, vibration mount, crank pulley? And why does my head have water, grass, and dirt in it?
RHDITR [10:06 PM]: also i have been working you have my Cell # you never called.
DivineCivic [10:06 PM]: I dont have your cell
RHDITR [10:06 PM]: there is no ******* grass or dirt in that motor
DivineCivic [10:07 PM]: I've been trying to get these parts for 2 months, I ordered a 99-00 Si Block Mount and a 99-00 Si Rear t Mount, a Pr4 Ecu, and a Conversion Harness
DivineCivic [10:07 PM]: you want pictures?
DivineCivic [10:07 PM]: God is my witness, I would not make bullshit up
RHDITR [10:08 PM]: yeah you are. there was no grass in the motor
DivineCivic [10:08 PM]: hahahaha, your full of **** guy

NOW this is up to you how you want to handle this.
A can exchange out the pulley and give you the T/c and missing vibe mount you can put your motor in your car and have a nice Day

OR

B you can Go F&!@ yourself try to take me to small claims court. End up spending a bit of cash on a lawyer and court fees ... it can be draw out for about a year before I ever see the inside of the court room. And the fact you have no CASE Because YOU HAVE NO BILL OF SALE FOR THE MOTOR...

YOUR CALL
Old Dec 6, 2005 | 12:12 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by AzntaggeR &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i'll vouch for tim. dealt with him multiple times without any problems. hope you get your problem resolved.</TD></TR></TABLE>

no problems with him here either ... pretty cool guy
Old Dec 6, 2005 | 01:34 AM
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ive had nothing but good expierience's with itr97-143 aka tim, he has good parts, hes a nice guy and he really knows his **** <TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by DivineCivic &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">If you've had no problem trading it out, why hasnt it been done, it takes you 2 months to give someone a small as part, how long does it take you to do a motor swap? </TD></TR></TABLE>[/QUOTE]
full swap and obd1 conversion in a crx took you what tim? maybe a night


personaly what i gather from this thread is the buyer has shitty communication skills and probably didnt know what he was buying, a full legit ls swap for 800 dollars??? sounds like he told you everything that was wrong with the motor(the water in the head and whatnot)
Old Dec 6, 2005 | 01:42 AM
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The way this looks is that the deal should be reversed or the "selling" party should help the "buying" party with the problems, I.e. Parts. nuff said. End it hear so no more of this bullshit keeps happening in the NW...So sick of ASSHATS getting **** all wrong. I made the mistake of not checking my **** when I bought and I paid the price...My drive was a bit longer then yours "divineCivic"...You should have known what you were buying...Seems it was stated pretty clearly.

You guys should really just help each other out...What the hell are we on this board for? Well, most of us anyway. uh, hem....Ty
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Old Dec 6, 2005 | 05:12 AM
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ITR97-143 is a good guy ive done business with him before he gave me help when i asked him questions on how to do a few things and he was a really easy guy to do business with. Sounds like he told you what you were buying and your just crying to all of us to try and get your money back, in the end you paid almost 3-400 dollars less than what he was originaly asking. if you were so poor u should be complaining because really you only had maybe 100 dollars worth of **** do buy and just some minor cleaning to do.
Old Dec 6, 2005 | 06:24 AM
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why dont you just stop crying like a little b@*ch "son"...you got a swap for way less then you would have had to pay and now you are crying cause you have to buy a couple of mounts and the motor is dirty(have you ever seen what a jdm crate motor looks like before they pressure wsh it)..gimme a break i cant remember the last time i bought a swap that i didnt need to buy parts for...get over it broke ***! tim has always been straight forward and honest in all of our transactions and i will continue to vouch for him
Old Dec 6, 2005 | 08:08 AM
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thats true...you can't really argue with something if you underpaid for it.....i say divinecivic, you sell that motor and just forget about it
Old Dec 6, 2005 | 08:18 AM
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I've bought from him before as well and had no problems and had no problems communicating with him. I can vouch for him as well.
Old Dec 6, 2005 | 08:20 AM
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I've known Tim for some time now and feel confident that he is not a scammer like you accuse him of.

You say money isn't an issue for you, since you are a "business man", and you have a lawyer. What is the complication? If you are not a fault, then take Tim to court and get back what's rightfully yours. Especially since you own a business, you should have no trouble winning a case with the wonderful law system we have here in America (money is power).

Instead, you choose to complain about over internet forums and make a statement like, "Tim your a little bitch." What a big man you are. Shall we title you the, “Keyboard Warrior”?

By the way, if you’re going to call someone a bitch, make sure to use proper grammar first. Let me give you an example, you’re a bitch.

I’m glad I’ve given up on the scene. Too many low balling, cut throat, punk kids who drive recklessly in their “fast” cars, thinking they are “gangsta” because they watched ‘Get Rich or Die Tryin’. Not to mention all the thieves, but that’s besides the point of this thread.

Good luck resolving your situation. Remember, money is power in today’s society.
Old Dec 6, 2005 | 09:05 AM
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Did you really tell him that there was water inside the cylinder? Can you say NOT GOOD?

anyways. either way just get the motor back, give him his money back and its all good. Either way u dont loose anything itr besides some time but everyone looses that.

for another worthless situation because of hondas!!
Old Dec 6, 2005 | 09:22 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by gt35r &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Did you really tell him that there was water inside the cylinder? Can you say NOT GOOD?

anyways. either way just get the motor back, give him his money back and its all good. Either way u dont loose anything itr besides some time but everyone looses that.

for another worthless situation because of hondas!! </TD></TR></TABLE>

for correction there was no water in the Cylinders. there was a small amount in that had gotten into the valve cover area mostly from condensation. nothing seamed to rusted. i drained all the oil changed the filter put a valve cover on it. ran the motor for 20 mins and then checked the compresson of the motor 175 accrosed the board. then the motor got pulled out of the wrecked car ... slap together and put in My itr to move it durring the time i was moving. changed the oil again when it when in my itr... it was then drove 5 miles down the road to my new place back in march of this yr... i then parked the itr in my garage and from time to time i would start it run it for 10-15 mins ... the same day he bought this motor i Started it up and checked the oil it ran flawless started on the 3rd crank.
i then drained the oil one more time. and before i met up with him i even went to fredmeyers and bought a new filter. and told him to also run the motor about 30 mins and change it out again just to make sure. also i took another 20 bucks off the motor and told him he would need to stop by honda and pick up some valve cover washers/seals because i was missing 4 or 5 of them
Old Dec 6, 2005 | 11:06 AM
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oh, i thought i read that water got into the cylinder...ive never seen posts about itr97 being a scammer. sounds legit. If you ran the motor and it was at 175 then its all good...what is this guy complaining about? just the missing parts?


atleast you didnt get a motor that didnt run and you already installed it and wasted all that time.

he said that you told him that you never had the motor running in your car? but now you said it was? what is the correct story?
Old Dec 6, 2005 | 11:16 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by gt35r &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

he said that you told him that you never had the motor running in your car? but now you said it was? what is the correct story?</TD></TR></TABLE> tims girl is the one who said it wasnt in his car but believe me if you knew tim you would know that he has pretty much the best honda wrecking yard in olympia and his girl really doesnt know what he has going on even though they do live together
Old Dec 6, 2005 | 01:22 PM
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One bad transaction is enough, who cares how many people have had good transactions
Old Dec 6, 2005 | 03:37 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by DivineCivic &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">And reactiondc2, since you wanna call me a bitch in my own thread for no particular reason, maybe we can meet up to break in these 2 pair of Everlast 12oz Boxing Gloves I bought last week.. </TD></TR></TABLE>hahahahahahaha lmfao dood you have no idea besides i never called you a b@#ch i merely stated that you are in fact crying like one which is exactly what you would do if you ever talked your trash to my face
Old Dec 6, 2005 | 05:32 PM
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Oh, pardon me; I didn't know you only use proper grammar in grammar school.

Some advice for the future though, I know it was "dark outside" and you couldn't see anything on the motor (and god knows how difficult it is to operate a flash light in the year 2005), but when you purchase anything - completely read and look over what you are purchasing. Reminds me of the people buying Xbox 360 BOXES on ebay for $600+ when it clearly states in the title, in bold, XBOX 360 BOX ONLY. At the very minimum, you could have pulled the plugs, popped off the valve cover, or even look take a quick look at the damn thing.

Sorry, but you had a chance to see exactly what you were purchasing yet you choose not too. I have no idea what condition the motor is in but knowing Tim, he tells you how it is and gives you every opportunity to ask questions or look over something.

Anyways, I've wasted enough of my life on this thread. Good luck with your future transactions. Look first, then buy. Not vice versa.



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