Well I am in a word PISSED! I was supposed to be buying a civic si with a body kit, suspension work, I/H/E and when I went to go do the final papers for the car they sold it out from under me despite my deposit I put on the car! I think I am going to sue them cause my godfather is the one helping me get a car and hes a lawyer and he was pretty pissed also. Any way so now that my dream is dead I am looking to get an integra ls...dont tell me to get a gsr, I cant afford the insurance...I HATE NJ! Heres my goal, I want to be able to hang with a new mustang gt the 260hp model, they run like 14.2 in the 1/4 mile I believe. I dont want to go turbo I want to stay NA. What do you guys suggest? I was thinking LS/VTEC...I know a guy with this and he took me for a ride and this thing was quick! What do I need for ls/vtec? what should I know about it? Any body know a shop in NJ who will do it for me? Can I do it my self? What do I need and whats it going to cost me? I need all the info I know nothing about this! Will an ls/vtec be reliable? Can I rev as high as a gsr? Do I need to? I know this is alot sorry, I ran a search but couldnt find what I was looking for. Thanks for any help.

 

Good luck and i have a friend who ran 13.9 at 100 in a stock new Mustang GT
If you are getting an LS... I suggest turboing it to beat mustang GT's

 

An LS with a PROPER LS/VTEC can beat a new GT. It will cost you a **** load though, but you will be NA.

 

That's not true... Well maybe for a new GT... But I have a 99 LS and I have a CAI, Free-flow cat, and cat-back exhaust... I can beat a stock 96-99 GT... At least I have before... I didn't put cars on him or anything, but he wasn't able to catch up and pass me... Oh yeah, I think he was automatic too!

 

A friend of mine has a 92 civic bubble back with LS/Vtec. Skunk2 IM, and a computer are the only mods he has done to the car and he ran a 14.6 on street tires. The thing is a bullet. And a total sleeper. Stock exhaust/motor everything except the IM and computer. So good luck you are gonna need money, and time. He did the install w/ another guy.

 

That's why. A 5-speed would beat you easily. I dunno about the 96-99 ones, but the new ones have 260hp and a crapload of torque.

I was boosting my car at near 4psi a while ago, and my friend with a 2001 GT kept up with me. I pulled away initially, then near 100, he started to close the gap and stayed there until we both slowed down.

 

no you can't.

 

The 1996-1998 GT's are DOGS... Low 15's if they are lucky.. I pity anyone who buys one of those GT's

 

Hell yeah I'd sue their @#$% asses off, but you got to make some things clear first. First, was their a written contract signed between you and the seller that if you put down a deposit for the car you would then recieve the car with later full payment. If so that's a classic case of breach of contract, you'll have no problem winning. By the way get a GSR haha.

 

ls/vtecs have been covered extensively here many times and I'm too lazy to type all the answers down. I have a nearly bullet proof ls/vtec and yes it cost some cash. I would really advice some headwork and a used jrsc rather than this route 'cause unless you bump up the compression and cams (and expensive dyno time), this isn't worth the money for 30 more ponies. If all you want is 30 more horses, get a nitrous shot. If I could do this all over again I'd highly encourage a 240 and the DET swap. You can do this for under 18k. More bang for the buck and less attention (read: you won't be worried that someone will steal your stuff). email if you want all the gory details of building the monstrousity.


[Modified by b18bpwr, 10:28 AM 3/14/2002]

 

word is a legally binding bond. if you gave him a deposit and told you he'd hold it for YOU then sue him. you had a verbally binding contract and it WILL hold up in court.

 

well we did have it written down, so I will sue I actually just got off the phone with the lawyer/godfather!.....let me restate this forget mustang gt....tell me what to do to get it faster than the si that got sold out from under me! So when I see that **** head on the road I can light his *** up! All the si had was I/H/E.

 

How about a JRSC and a **** load of boost? I dont really like turbos but let me know what you guys think.

 

My gen2 teg beat a new mustang gt without nitrous or a turbo. I'm thinkin of goin ls-vtec soon. But we had lightened it up, removed intake resonator, CAI, Catback exahust, test pipes, etc. I think he was stock.

 

SIs aren't THAT quick. Just get a shitload of headwork done (cams/valve train P&P, skunk2 mani), i/h/e and u could prolly tear it up. U have more torque, just need more topend.

 

If I was to go turbo, what kit should I go with? How much boost can a ls handle reliably?

 

Nobody knows?

 

how much boost the LS can handle is a matter of engine management and tuning. Over all it is better to turbo an LS rather than a GS-R/Si as the block is a little stronger than with the VTEC motors.

The "best kit" is hard to determine. If you want mid-range and a fast spooling turbo you will need to look at something like the greddy kit (I know they have this for GS-R, I am not sure about LS), if you want alot more power and high end get the Drag or Rev Hard kit. Your block won't last long without engine mgmt tho, so you will need to look into something like Hondata Stage II with Boost.

The I/H/E LS's that I have seen run about mid 16's. I have seen one with a Drag Kit running a low 14 ... so there is quite a difference. You are going to need one of those kits at about 6 psi to hang with a newer Mustang GT.

 

On a stock motor, an LS could be OK with 6lbs or more but the key is tuning the car. You can blow a motor on 4lbs of boost if you don't have enough fuel!!! I would suggest the turbo, but of course I AM biased!

There are some good kits out there. It seems like a lot of people either run the Greddy kit or the RevHard kit. I on the other hand have a custom turbo kit (which is another way to go but is more difficult). I say build the motor and turbo the car and go hunt Vette's!!!

 

Any way to tune it without having to run a hondata...like a piggyback of some sort to save myself some money? And I have seen ls's with I/H/E go any where from 15.5-15.7 in the 1/4 mile

 

look at it this way...you obviously want a fast car...not that the LS is bad, hell i owned one myself...but all this money youre talking about pouring into the car...its amazing...a turbo alone is going to cost you about 3k, not including install...be realistic, youre talking about not buying a GSR because of higher insurance, but youre going to dump like 5k into the LS after you buy it...ive gone through this situation so many times...im going on my 5th honda for christs sake...think out what car you want first...and dont try and build a race car if this is your first car...if this is going to be your daily driver, dont waste your money by dumping thousands of dollars into it, when you could have bought a faster car to begin with...

 

Where did I say I wanted to build a race car? Where did I say that I wanted a turbo? I said I want to add some more power to make it fun and respectable on the street! Read before you post !I am never going to take it to the track...so I think what I am going to do is I/H/E and then a JRSC with 9 psi and a fuel pump and SFMU with dyno tuning...that should be good to make it 0-60 mph quick. I dont care about the 1/4 mile just 0-60. Let me know what you guys think.

 

don't listen to anyone that doesn't say turbo...

it's the only real way of making power to beat that which you speak of... dont listen to the next line of logic and that would be.. "all motor is more reliable" because there are some **** poor tuned n/a engines that die too...

turbo will get you hanging with them in a minimul amount of time.

I'm hanging with supercharged saleens with mine...

it can be done..

hmmmmmm turbo!

"you do not know the power..... of the darkside"
"Consume you it will hmmmmmmm..."

 

I know a copule people that had LS's and are running 7-8psi on them, stock engines with just the turbo bolted on, and exhaust and boost controller.

 

Supercharge it with a bottle of Nitrous Oxide. That'll tear him a new hole...