I recently purchased an intake manifold from Skunk2. I am also about to purchase some Type S cams and Type S pistons. Anything I need to upgrade before doing this? ANy tips?

Oh I recently installed a H22 in my DC2


Modified by ALMXDUPINTEGRA at 4:35 AM 11/28/2005

 

I say - DON'T buy the type S cams
You will need bigger cams - otherwise, it might not help at all. That skunk2 manifold isn't as promising as they hype it up to be. THe type s pistons are fine. But i say get some skunk2 stageII cams and a nice valvetrain setup.

 

whats so bad about the type-s cams?

 

Nothings wrong with the type-s cams....but he'll need bigger cams to experience gains from that manifold. That manifold has been proven to actually make the user LOSE power. If he kept the stock intake manifold, I would say he can go with type-s. But not w/that skunk2.

Why don't you sell him your stage2 cams?

 

Just remember, if he goes with larger aftermarket cams he will need to replace the valve springs and retainers. That = more $$

 

Yeah no doubt. But i think he'll definately benefit from it.

I just don't want him dissapointed with that setup.

He'll be getting decent compression with the type s pistons - I think he should go bigger w/cams.

For valvetrain purposes - i think crower has a good, non-expensive valvetrain.

Skunk2 has a good valvetrain.

KMS has a well proven valvetrain.....costs about the same as skunk2.

 

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Yeah, they make a really good valvetrain. IMO.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by TheKingPin &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Why don't you sell him your stage2 cams? </TD></TR></TABLE>

I sold them to paul_vang. I believe he is selling them now for $475, but if you want 'em, let me know, I can get them back from him and sell them for less to you.

 

Lets not forget eibach springs. I have those with porflow retainers to go with my Crower stage 3's. And i didn't have to worry about the installed height of the retainer like you do with crower ones.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by TheKingPin &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Nothings wrong with the type-s cams....but he'll need bigger cams to experience gains from that manifold. That manifold has been proven to actually make the user LOSE power. If he kept the stock intake manifold, I would say he can go with type-s. But not w/that skunk2.

Why don't you sell him your stage2 cams? </TD></TR></TABLE>

Lose power? Damn I would have never thought. Any tests done that prove this or is this based on different engines. I was going to go with the euro R manifold and type s cams at first. Thought I guess I jumped on the bandwagon and bought a skunk2.

 

No, the cams won't make you lose power, but the manifold will.

The skunk2 manifold is really meant for high N/A applications and turbo applications.

Do a search, there's a thread about the skunk2 manifold somewhere.

The euro manifold and type s cams will work though.

 

lol....Lose power...I got 5hp to the wheels on a mostly stock motor......5k up to 8k..It was still making power but we were stressing the valve train....

 

wait.

You got 5whp from just the skunk2 manifold? I doubt that seriously.

But I guess...........5whp is better than -3hp.

 

YES....Just the manifold...NO OTHER changes!! I posted the dyno a few months back but 5 whp wasnt good enough for everyone so i took it down....But yes this was on a usdm motor {stock cam } . Just had i/h/e.....Hondata

 

Posts like that are very helpful. We need more of these types of posts. Anyone else? I'll take the +5 hp please

 

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Oh - so you had it tuned with Hondata? ....see i'm talking about untuned - because most of the people here don't tune the motor anyways.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Goinfasterthanu &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">YES....Just the manifold...NO OTHER changes!! I posted the dyno a few months back but 5 whp wasnt good enough for everyone so i took it down....But yes this was on a usdm motor {stock cam } . Just had i/h/e.....Hondata</TD></TR></TABLE>

LOL You do realize that dynoing on different days/different weather conditions will yield different dyno figures.

HAHAHAHAHA You were making power up to 8K rpm!!! On a stock engine?? LOL Now that is ****** funny!!

 

Buddy, stock motors tend to lose power above 7000rpm (H22 adleast) because the cams aren't aggressive enough. A stock motor is built to last, not to give off a trillion horsepower.

The intake manifold is good if you have aggressive cams that demand more air. Like some SKunk2 stage 2, but then you need to upgrade your valve train, stage 1s will also benefit. Get some stage 1s and a throttle body from Skunk2.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ludesrv &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Buddy, stock motors tend to lose power above 7000rpm (H22 adleast) because the cams aren't aggressive enough. A stock motor is built to last, not to give off a trillion horsepower.

The intake manifold is good if you have aggressive cams that demand more air. Like some SKunk2 stage 2, but then you need to upgrade your valve train, stage 1s will also benefit. Get some stage 1s and a throttle body from Skunk2.</TD></TR></TABLE><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by AndyD &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

LOL You do realize that dynoing on different days/different weather conditions will yield different dyno figures.

HAHAHAHAHA You were making power up to 8K rpm!!! On a stock engine?? LOL Now that is ****** funny!! </TD></TR></TABLE>

'nuff said.

 

Would the Skunk2 Stage 1's be better for the intake manifold then the type S cams. I really do not want to spend so much on the valvetrain. Would the stock TB fit on the Skunk2 intake manifold?

 

Yes and Yes. The Stage 1s offer a more aggressive pattern then the Type S. With the stage 1s, you don't need to upgrade your valve train. It's a stock cam replacement, no upgrades needed, you will need to tune them tho, so get a few dyno runs in to maximize the potential power. Also, the stock OEM TB will fit the Skunk IM, just it is restrictive for that intake, upgrading to S2 TB will give off better air flow. Skunk is a good company for making there parts work with OEM stuff.

 

This is why i took down the dyno... Ok the dyno was done the same day...Temp went up later so if anything it was better than 5whp... Yes i was making GOOD power up to the 7.8k range. From what i saw the stock intake mani was what was making it fall off sooner. It happened, belive it or not "buddy" ..The sk2 mani does make power..I posted proof..The end....From what i saw cams would only make it better...

 

do you still have the dyno graph? I'm sure that would silence the critics.

 

I still have it but it will cause more crap than its worth.... I had 3 pages of griping about weather diff... didnt gain under 5k bla...bla..

 

Did you run the ProSeries? I did on the I.M. the 68mm T.B. & Sk2 stage I cams. The increase put a smile on my face. I still need to tune the cam gears, then I'll try to post my dyno.

 

There is no ProSeries for the H22. Every Skunk2 manifold is the same.