Hey I'm in the process of buying a car but I still haven't decided what kind. It's between an ls or gsr teg. I want to turbo charge it but I don't know which would be better wtih it. Yes I've done research and could not find nething. Thanx a lot.

 

What's your budget? What is your goal?

 

Personally I would go gsr, many will suggest both for different reasons. . I just tried to search and pulled up 136 different topics under "ls grs turbo". Search is your friend.

 

gsr>ls only ls owners will say otherwise

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ITB &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">gsr&gt;ls only ls owners will say otherwise</TD></TR></TABLE>

this is to an extent.

 

LS...if your going turbo

 

Go gsr that way you get boost with vtec

 

you can boost either but with ls you would have to do the whole ls vtec thing and that just more work in my opinion so if you wqanna be lazy go with the gsr but if you got time and money go with the ls build your head up the way you want it

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by zippinzaboo &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">you can boost either but with ls you would have to do the whole ls vtec thing and that just more work in my opinion so if you wqanna be lazy go with the gsr but if you got time and money go with the ls build your head up the way you want it </TD></TR></TABLE>

why would you have to do ls/vtec to turbocharge your ls?

 

lmao. you have to do an lsvtec to turbo. funny funny. haha. truely a noob!

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by zippinzaboo &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">you can boost either but with ls you would have to do the whole ls vtec thing and that just more work in my opinion so if you wqanna be lazy go with the gsr but if you got time and money go with the ls build your head up the way you want it </TD></TR></TABLE>

mwhahahha...
waiting for the flames..hahahhahah

im guessin he aint comming back...

hahahahah...

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by zippinzaboo &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">you can boost either but with ls you would have to do the whole ls vtec thing and that just more work in my opinion so if you wqanna be lazy go with the gsr but if you got time and money go with the ls build your head up the way you want it </TD></TR></TABLE>
lol... a noob talking like he knows a whole lot.. wow

 

There's lots of mixxed information in this thread. The original poster asked a really general question, but many of you are answering assuming certain things such as how much power he wants to make at the end, what his budget is, etc. Boosting a stock motor versus boosting a built motor is different.

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Yes a GSR is a better car. It is more expensive, has more options, has a better motor, etc. If the poster wanted to boost a stock car, then the GSR will yield slightly more power because of Vtec and gearing. This is definitely not the case with high power applications, as a non-Vtec and a Vtec motor will pretty much be the same in the end.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 97dC4 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">LS...if your going turbo</TD></TR></TABLE>

Why? Because of lower static compression? The difference between a LS and a GSR isn't that much, good tuning will render the difference negligible. LS because of longer gearing? That also is a myth. The mechanical advantage of a GSR's transmission will ALWAYS be better than "staying in boost longer" from an LS's tranny.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by BlackDC2_05 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Go gsr that way you get boost with vtec</TD></TR></TABLE>

Yes, again that is only beneficial when you're boosting it stock. The original poster left no mention of his budget and goals. If he wants to make less than 300whp, then the GSR is the easiest way to go. More than that, and he's likely to be swapping out pistons for lower compression ones, and doing all sort of other things. Same for the LS. At high power levels, the GSR and LS are effectively the same.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by zippinzaboo &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">you can boost either but with ls you would have to do the whole ls vtec thing and that just more work in my opinion so if you wqanna be lazy go with the gsr but if you got time and money go with the ls build your head up the way you want it </TD></TR></TABLE>

Not even going to touch this one. You don't need to have a LS/Vtec to turbocharge a car. LS/Vtec is a Vtec head on an non-Vtec block such as the LS. It has nothing to do with turbochargers.

My basic point is that the budget and final goals of the vehicle are the most impotant things to consider. If he wants to throw on a turbo kit on a stock motor, then the GSR will make more power and be faster than the LS. If he wants to build the motor, it won't really matter. There many non-Vtec cams that are available that make good power, if not MORE power than the Vtec ones. Low compression pistons are going to be in both motors. The sleeves will possibly be replaced giving both motors a potential 2.0L displacement figure. The aftermarket sleeves will render the oil squirters on the GSR block useless. People concerned with the most power will replace the LS tranny with something else anyway, possibly even one that has more mechanical advantage than the GSR (like the B16, ITR, etc). There are many ways this original post can go.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by shamoo &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Yes a GSR is a better car. It is more expensive, has more options, has a better motor, etc. </TD></TR></TABLE>


iono bout that one buddy. hows it a better car? chasis is still the same.

 

sure gsr may b faster to start but neone who knows anything will tell ya the ls block is better, more reliable, and can get more power NA than the gsr if built correctly

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by butla14 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">sure gsr may b faster to start but neone who knows anything will tell ya the ls block is better, more reliable, and can get more power NA than the gsr if built correctly</TD></TR></TABLE>

and where the hell did you pull that information out of? the gsr engine in itself if greater than the ls, honda put more into that engine...its kinda like saying the gsr block is better than the c5 block

 

iono bout gsr being faster to start out with either. almost all the gsr's at the local track here with similar mods were generally running 3-4 tenths slower then my se/ls.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Vi3tboy &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">iono bout that one buddy. hows it a better car? chasis is still the same. </TD></TR></TABLE>

What's with the "iono" thing? Anyway, why is the GSR more expensive? Why does it come with leather? Why does it come with the more powerful motor? Why is the transmission better? More expensive cars are generally better cars.

Is a Honda Civic better than an Acura Integra? No. Acura is Honda's luxury line.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Vi3tboy &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">iono bout gsr being faster to start out with either. almost all the gsr's at the local track here with similar mods were generally running 3-4 tenths slower then my se/ls. </TD></TR></TABLE>

What are you talking about? Everything about the GSR is rated higher than the LS. The people driving those GSR's must not be good driver's then. It's 30 more horsepower at the crank, it has shorter gearing, it has a more aggressive high rpm cam profile, it has a higher redline, better valve springs/retainers, block girdle, oil squirters, and a lot of other things.

Simply the GSR transmission alone will make the LS significantly faster than stock. I can't believe you're actually serious about this. I thought it was a joke.

 

i kno gsr's are nice cars. but damn mine came with leather interior and its not just the driver since i switched cars with a gsr owner and his car still dint run a faster time then mine. its just from my personal experience. i mean yes i wouldnt mind having a c1 motor but honestly they arent that much better imo. and not all gsr's came with leather either. but if you think that gsr's are that much better good for you.

 

I'd rather have the GSR

-Kendall, who has quite a bit of experience messing with both

 

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Why? Because of lower static compression? The difference between a LS and a GSR isn't that much, good tuning will render the difference negligible. LS because of longer gearing? That also is a myth. The mechanical advantage of a GSR's transmission will ALWAYS be better than "staying in boost longer" from an LS's tranny.

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yes..i was thinkn LS because of the longer gears

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 97dC4 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">yes..i was thinkn LS because of the longer gears</TD></TR></TABLE>

That's actually a myth. Yes, the LS has longer gears that theoretically keep you within boost longer, however, shorter gearing will always accelerate better in all conditions.

You could be in boost longer, but wouldn't you rather be in a higher ratio gear, at a higher rpm, flowing more air to the turbo? Many turbo LS people are swapping to GSR trannies, and even B16 ones in some cases.

 

yea yea yea LS is better than GSR once I hit 6000rpm in 3rd you will know why gsr&gt;ls

gsr=great sports ride
ls=lose, sucka!

 

well LS stock compresion ratio is more friendly for boost, but if they both remain stock i am sure the turbo GSR will have more power, thats what i have and i love it. its alot of work though

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Vi3tboy &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i kno gsr's are nice cars. but damn mine came with leather interior and its not just the driver since i switched cars with a gsr owner and his car still dint run a faster time then mine. its just from my personal experience. i mean yes i wouldnt mind having a c1 motor but honestly they arent that much better imo. and not all gsr's came with leather either. but if you think that gsr's are that much better good for you.</TD></TR></TABLE>

You must have never had VTEC. It's always the people who have the base models that try to tell everyone that the LS/RS/GS is better than the GS-R.

All you have to do is tell people about some random situation about two cars we know nothing about drag racing, and it's a fact right? A stock GS-R is ALWAYS faster than a stock base model (unless something is wrong with the car).