situation:
Last year i made 490whp @ 19psi on my current turbo gt3561e from precision (4-bolt).

Then i cracked a stock sleeve, so now I have the new setup ERL superdeck2 B16, GSR crank, 84mm, so basicly a GSR 84mm...1.93L. Manley rods, CP pistons, yada yada yada

I ordered the Fast-Turbo fuel kit with the bosch pump, so I'll have fuel to get me to 800whp or so.

I have a topmount t3 manifold that i want to keep, so that leaves me stuck on t3 footprint.

So i'd like to get to 700whp next season, maybe try to compete in a t4 class or soemthing.

Soooo i have a few options. 1. keep my current gt3561e and just try to pull as much boost out of it as possible and adjust the CTR cams to extract all the power i can. My car went 11.2@133 with the engine poping at 1100ft mark at 24psi.

option one is the new GT3567r, 1300 bucks, so not the cheapest, but its a mild favorite, as I loved having 5k worth of a powerband with my gt3561e.

option two, Pheonix Turbo's t3/t04r(900) which in my mind is the t3/t67 H.O.(1050) that full-race has, but i could be wrong. I looks the same in terms of specs.

Option three, Precision's PT67(1050) T3-Ptrim wheel. pretty much the above turbos I think.

Option four: stay with what I have and throw boost at it (FREE). I could always throw nitrous on the car, but then that won't let me run in SWFD or T4 class.

So waht are some suggestions. I have precision 1000cc injectors, which i hope will hang on with the increase power goals, i think by swapping from the walbro 255 to the big Bosch pump will give them more breathing room.

I could sell my old turbo for a good price 550 or so, but just trying to decide exactly if the more lag or response is worth the extra skrilla.

 

oh yeah, one final issue. I have a 4-bolt discharge on my current turbo. I'd really like not to have to redo my downpipe after paying to have it coated.

 

Just buy this and you'll be really happy!! https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1434917 4-blot discharge flange, T3 foot print, and you know it will make a dog load of power!

 

hrmmm.... that is very interesting.....

 

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why is that so funny

 

i asked for hardass **** rods and all they had were the Manleys

either way, bump for my situation. right now that used turbo is looking pretty good. you wouldn't happen to have any specs on dynos, spool up, etc?

 

The T3/TO4R is the Same as the T3/T67 non H.O., the H.O.comes with a P trim wheel.

 

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ahh, so really only Precision and full-race sell a t3/t67 H.O? Precision calls it the PT67 T3P and full race has the t3/t67 H.O. i thought pheonixturbo sold soemthing along those lines, but i guess not.

 

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we offer the TO4R with your choice of any T3 turbine, stg3 or T3P(HO)

this same turbo is now available with the New Garrett Ballbearing option(dual SS ballbearing CHRA)

ive tested both the T3/TO4Rbb STG3 and T3P on the PeakBoost EVO and the response is insane for a turbo this size...
stg3 full boost @ 4000rpms
T3P full boost @ 5000rpms

the best part about the new BB chra is the recovery time with a big turbo. we're seeing at least 12psi recovery between gear changes!

feel free to PM me with any questions you might have.

thanks

Ken

 

so what's the difference in stg 3, stg 5 and p trim? obviously p trim is bigger than stg 5 and vice versa, but i assume it will just support more in big boost area but come at a little more lag?

 

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correct.

the larger diameter wheels have a greater surface area and will allow you to move more exhaust gas on the top, but in turn effect the intial onset.

here is a comparison of the factory evo turbo vs. the To4Rbb T3p:

completely stock 2.0L tested with cams, and running it to 8k, this is an awesome high hp powerband imo.

i'm going to try to get the car back on the dyno with the stg3 turbine wheel mon-tue, before i leave for PRI. i just put it back together with the only variable being the stg3 wheel. this will allow for a nice hard evidence visual of both powerbands to help in making your selection.

Ken

 

Holy fat AFR'S on that graph.

 

gt4067 for 700hp

 

just to throw another option at you, you might want to look into the phoenix t3/gt40. i think it's more of a 800whp turbo though. but if your shooting for the 700's i'd say go for the HO.

 

so the t3/t04r is not the same as the t3/t67? can i get some clarification im kinda lost and still learning specs as i go along.

 

if i remember correctly, i think i heard full-race say they do something different to their t3/t67's to set them apart from the rest.

 

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same turbo.
the compressor wheel is a 66.5mm inducer(rounded up = t67)

also, just to clarify, i think that flip1199 was recommending our new PHX42, not the t3/gt40.
the t3/gt40 uses the 61mm inducer 56 trim gt35r comp wheel and is supportable of ~625.
the PHX42 with the right turbine section can support ~850.

though it seems as if the original poster was looking for a good streetable powerband, not a dyno queen or track only car.. so, there are some better choices for him.

 

Geoff said that the GT35R turbine wheel flows as much as the P trim used in their HO turbos. The gt35r has a lower moment of inertia then then the P trim, thus spooling faster. So the GT3567 should be as capable as the T67HO, but spool faster. Throw in a ballbearing center section and you have a very quick spooling, potent turbo

 

guys you have to remember i have the gt3561 on the car now. its the same as the t3/gt40 that pheonix offers.

 

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I believe it's not, the T3/T61 (blowzilla) runs the same compressor as you, but has the stage 3 turbine, where the GT3561e has the newer GT turbine...

 

sorry got it confused with the phx42. i meant to say phx42.

 

coo thanks for the clarification dooo

 

hey if you want to sell that turbo i will send $550 for it...let me know what you decide

 

T3/TO4R P-trim with the ball bearing center section is what I would do. I think the thing that was "special" about the FR t3/t67's is they were using inconel exhaust wheels, or something of that nature.

 

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