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For someone as "reputable" and "respected" as Jon Kaase saying that he doesn't even want Sport Compacts breathing the same air as him or lining up in the same staging lanes as him........says something about how stupid and ignorant these people really are. He doesn't want us "taking up HIS space". Can you believe this *******???? I used to have the utmost respect for those racers over there in mountain motor Pro Stock.....well, that respect just went down the toilet along with their reputations. I hope Scranton, Titan and Hartford hand them their lunches.

 

either that or he is stirring things up?? mabey??...never mind i acually read the article. close minded, but at the same time i wouldnt want turbos in my class, even if they were 1/4 the size.


Modified by cxcivic at 7:16 PM 11/23/2005

 

wow...that was a long read and I am also very disappointed...is it just me or does anyone else find it kind of insulting when pro domestic racers stoop that low to call our cars rice burners...its almost like a racial insult...i too hope that the v6 turbo guys go there and whoop some ***...Then they can keep crying like little babies...

also I don't think it's just to stir up anything...They are scared of change and of 2-3 more chances of losing their money. I mean they would look pathetic to the die hard fans when an "rice burner" comes in and beats them at their own game....at least that's what I pick up from the article.

 

Yeah....some guy just can't let go of their carbuerators.

i see we should take away the 9mm Glocks the police use and give them Old time Muzzle loaders.


But hey!!! its cool to each their own. i feel that them guys should welcome us on their side ,but i guess not. we all could learn from each other.

 

they are just jealous that our imports can go fast on less then 200 cubic inches

 

I’m hearing talk of demographics and a younger crowd, they had better think about how many diehards they are going to lose. I’ve been watching the NOPI stuff on television. I don’t know how many people they think they are going to get because every time I see those races, the grandstands are empty. If they want to copy those guys they had better start scheduling bikini parties on Saturday night. That’s the only thing I’ve ever seen that anyone goes to.”

That was quoted from one of the racers

Its sad that we finally get TV coverage and all that gets advertised about our sport is the **** and *** aspect of our sport. I have read peolpe on here even stating the same thing.

We don't get recognized for having fast cars and cars that are even equal or faster than most standard built V-8's.
All these top notch guys think that we aren't even good enough to breath the same air as us.

alot of these guys think that we all have junk and don't want us taking up "their" space. Don't our Toter Homes cost just as much as theirs? Don't our PRO Cars cost just as much to build as theirs???? **** Even 1 of thier drivers in IHRA builds alot of our pro cars that they call "junk".

I guess all i'm saying guys ... Is please please please call or write the SPEED CHANNEL to get them to change the format of NOPI TUNERVISION.Please write or call them and tell them to show more racers and more racing.
The IHRA Pro stocks guys call our racing boring. I wonder how the rest of america feels about our sport after watching NOPI TUNERVISION????

 

hrmm...so let me get this straight.

IHRA wants to somehow get Toyota involved in pro style racing in their venue.

The IHRA racers want no part of it, and don't hold back when talking about it

Our Pro RWD cars want to go there, and run with the big boys

This is the way I see it so far. My problem with all of this is, why the hell are they trying to put them into a N/A class?

There is not 1 car in the Sport Compact ranks that could be even remotely competitive with the mountain motor guys, and yet they all seem to be clamouring to go. I wonder what their sponsors will think after most of them get put on the trialer before the first round of qualitfying over and over again?? What about the fact that the guys who have been the "big show" for so long now being relegated to the back of the bus? I have to wonder who came up with this brain storm, and why? There are so many factors that just don't seem to fit here. Awhile back a user on here named Crazy Kid suggested putting the Pro RWD cars into Pro mod and that seemed to be a good fit to me, and some others I have spoken too, but Pro Stock should be left alone the way I see it.

I've worked for a sanctioning body in the past, and been involved in the rule making process, and believe me it is no easy task. However taking a class and flipping it on it's ear just never seemed to be a very good idea. Most racers will get their backs up, and want to go against you. As a promoter and sanctioing body I'd want to keep the racers happy as much as I can. You can't please everyone allthe time, but pissing off your entire class structure is suicide.

Best of Luck to everyone involved here.

Clayton

 

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Jealous or not. it doesn't matter. we and alot of people on here have worked to damn hard to get to where we are now.Its sad to see that these guys i once used to look up to and some i have even helped are talking like this pretty much behind my back. they might as well have walked up to my face and called me the "N" word.

 

Some people in that article are just ignorant. We are welcoming the domestics into our series, just wish they would have a similar view on it. I wish they could see some of the etown crowds we get. May not compare to an IHRA race, but there are still alot of fans in the stands.

 

I agree with you about the cars being put in pro mod. i have always stated that everytime some one on here always wants to see a match race against the pro stock cars. its definitly apples and oranges. i think with me its just more about the comments made about our cars and how they percieve our sport. and most of that is due to NOPI TUNERVISION or more so the pruduction team at SPEED CHANNEL.

 

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Thats the point i'm trying to make Brian...THANKS

 

Good call man, but I'm pretty sure if I tried hard enough I could find some negative comments on here about "rednecks" racing their RWD big block cars. The point is, those people are HOT about this topic, and they're simply venting. I'd be willing to bet that all of us at one time or another has made comments that could be considered inflamatory. I'm not defending them. Simply trying to understand myself.

 

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well...me personally, my roots are from the V-8s and its all i've been around growing up until i fell in love with TURBOS. I really wouldn't say alot of people on here really rant and rave about redneck this or redneck that. i think alot of us are more about trying to gain respect from those guys than do any name bashing about them.

and if there is someone on here calling out redneck or dissin V-8 drag racing or motors period,then they really not into racing period and just an internet bench racer. so yes...those are the people that makes us look bad. the ones the "rednecks" call "ricers".

When all these "rednecks" see is the import cars on the road with the super duper wing and there loud *** exhaust that just makes the real racers look bad and not wanna give them a chance to check out some good import drag racing.Nor it doen't give them to interest to see what makes our cars run the times and speeds that we run. So right off the top they are already closed minded because they see their neighbors little 16 y.o. son with some B.S. claiming he "fast and furious yo".

 

doesnt surprise me..imports will always be looked down upon by a lot of domestic racers.

 

Isn't there alot of hate in the domestic world amongst themselves between NA/nitrous/blown cars and turbo cars? I think they are just scared of technology.

 

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I caught that part too, but forgot to mention that. I sorta don't blame them for perceiving imports for what they are portrayed as...I know NOPI has their reasons for making their shows the way they do...but for this sport to grow. it needs to be more then T and A. It's almost like, yeah they get good attendance...but how many are actually in the stands? oh well...enough blabbing. back to work

 

I wouldn't say scared, but maybe skeptical. But you're right Brian. The NA guys sure call their own neighbours names. I think the Nitrous guys take it the worst. Throttle in a bottle, blah blah blah..... Hopefully something can be worked out so that people have more avenues to race in.

Clayton

 

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You're right about that Brian. Tony Christianson hated Bob Reiger to know end.It was so bad that he wouldn't even speak to Bob Reiger or even aknowledeged him.All because Tony Christianson was very very very very very against Turbos and EFI.

But guess what....when they lined up against each other. it mad for a good rivalry and good grudge racing.

 

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You better believe it. I help out on a friends race car, and the only thing you hear from the Blower and Nitrous guy is bitching. We're running a 324" motor with twin turbos. One of our competitors is running a 466" small block with nitrous. We weigh in at 3350. He weighs in at 2850. He's bitching about how our setup is unfair to him. You're allowed a bias play DOT tire, but we even run on an MT radial. It's absolutely rediculous. Next year is going to be a ton of fun, we've got our converter issues settled out, going to be running the max tire allowed for the class, and are coming back with over 600 more horsepower.

 

i can fully understand them not wanting these cars in the class just from past events alone, i actually agree with a couple of the realistic points. the thing that gets me though is the serious disrespect and misconceptions they have about our sport and imports in general.

if its really true about hartford leaving SC to do this full time i wish him the best but after seeing the attitudes of some of these guys i really wonder why anyone would bother trying to gain any acceptance from these people. i think he should just stay here and run his sport compact car in a sport compact series. save the us vs. them stuff for exhibition races.
-Roger

 

Ignorance and the best of closed minded people all wrapped up in one group ........Domestic Racers. They are just scared of change and being beaten. They don't respect anything we do or accomplish (which happen to be greater achievments mathematically) and have totally bogus perceptions of our sport due to lame *** movies/ tv shows. I'm not sure that we will ever gain respect from the domestic community. Either way, F*#K em'! Technology will prevail and to whoever stated above "I take offense to being called riceburner" I agree 100% that is a pet peeve of mine as well. I get defensive very quickly when that word is used for some reason.

Phil

 

Topic been up here all day long, and not one response from the Nopi guys about the comments on their tv program. They really do need to change it.

 

All the hate originates just like any type of past predjudice. Many people are afraid of what they don't understand.

 

I wonder what a 800 cubic inch ecotec would do? how many liters is 800 cubic inches, I dont know how to do the math, with out a calculator...

 

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whats cubic inches?