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Old Nov 23, 2005 | 08:18 AM
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i just installed my koni with GC and every thing looks ok and works fine but it still falls in bumps are lil hard its lowered a lil more than 2" all around. any idea what could it be?
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Old Nov 23, 2005 | 08:34 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by projectac &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">it still falls in bumps are lil hard ... any idea what could it be?</TD></TR></TABLE>

I have absolutely no idea what that could be ..... can you retype in english?
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Old Nov 23, 2005 | 08:38 AM
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when going over bumps i still feel it kind of hard thats what i meant.
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Old Nov 23, 2005 | 08:55 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by projectac &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">when going over bumps i still feel it kind of hard thats what i meant.</TD></TR></TABLE>

What rates are you running? What are your shock adjustments set to?

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Old Nov 27, 2005 | 07:50 AM
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380f /350r and the shock setting is about 1 turn
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Old Nov 27, 2005 | 02:46 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by projectac &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">when going over bumps i still feel it kind of hard thats what i meant.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Its not going to ride like a cadillac.
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Old Nov 27, 2005 | 09:43 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by projectac &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">380f /350r</TD></TR></TABLE>

i'm considering these rates too. does anybody else think it's a good choice for a daily?
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Old Nov 28, 2005 | 07:44 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by DLudist &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i'm considering these rates too. does anybody else think it's a good choice for a daily?</TD></TR></TABLE>

maybe ..... I run 450/400 rates and they're fine for me. I have Koni shocks too, so their adjustability allows me to get the car to feel pretty good. It all depends on the car you have, the streets you drive on, and how stiff is "too stiff" for you.
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Old Nov 28, 2005 | 09:17 AM
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too damn low for OTS koni's and that soft of a spring. raise the car about an inch and see how it feels. how long of a bumpstop are you using?

nate
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Old Nov 28, 2005 | 09:38 AM
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For any car lowered 2"+, some Ground Control upper mounts for the front end will really make a difference. They definently help over bumps because they add .75" of shock compression stroke to your suspension. That allows quite a bit more wheel travel (aprox 1") over bumps. They also come with softer bump stops in the set.
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Old Nov 28, 2005 | 10:09 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by DLudist &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i'm considering these rates too. does anybody else think it's a good choice for a daily?</TD></TR></TABLE>

I'm daily driving my 00 gsr on 400/400, lowered around 2.5/2.0 with GC upper mounts in the front. Except for rain gutters, and the occasional bump on the I-10 that puts me into the headliner, its fine for daily use. Stiff, but streetable, and the rain gutters are only an issue because of the ride height.
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Old Nov 28, 2005 | 11:31 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by projectac &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i just installed my koni with GC and every thing looks ok and works fine but it still falls in bumps are lil hard its lowered a lil more than 2" all around. any idea what could it be?</TD></TR></TABLE>

At a 2" drop with low spring rates such as yours, you may be hitting the bumpstops. If you raise the car an inch and the problem goes away, then this was most likely the problem. If you find that you were hitting the bumpstop, then your choices are to run your car at the higher ride height with the springs you have or you can lower the car back down to some height based on what spring rates you can handle. The higher the spring rates you can handle comfortably, the lower you can drop your car. It's that simple.

Other possible problems:

Make sure the anti-roll bar is not binding due to possible incorrect installation.
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Old Nov 28, 2005 | 11:53 AM
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you could also gain some shock travel using the famed "shock fork trick"
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Old Nov 28, 2005 | 02:14 PM
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i run 600/600 in my daily driver
it doesnt bother me
but its defiently a personal opinion when it comes to spring rates and drivability
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Old Nov 28, 2005 | 02:52 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by nonsense &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">you could also gain some shock travel using the famed "shock fork trick" </TD></TR></TABLE>

Yes this is a great alternative to upper mounts. If you feel confident in modifying or removing your brake hose brackets, then it would be the easiest thing for you. It will lower your car more though, so you will have to use your coilovers to put it back where you had it...
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Old Nov 28, 2005 | 05:43 PM
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I rocked 450 f, 430 r with GC upper mounts and Koni yellows, on both of my hatchbacks and they rode great. My idea of great may be different than yours though.
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Old Dec 1, 2005 | 10:39 AM
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thanks for all the replies
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Old Dec 1, 2005 | 10:42 AM
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the bumpstops are about 1.5". i will raise the car some more very soon. thanks
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