For those who already saw this post in the FI forum yeah its almost the same post but I just want to inform people that this piece is more than just bling and I like my car so much since I use it....

So I was running the Prothane insert for about 2 summers now and from the beginning I just hated them. Its a question of taste or preference but for a street car too much vibrations is not fun at all and belive it or not its not good for the engine... the stock OEM mounts act like the crank damper but for the engine...
So like you know my project is almost done and all I just want to do is to make it more enjoyable and reliable. So I had to find the solution to get rid of those nasty vibrations.

I was shopping for new mounts like the Hasport or something like that but they are really expensive... I came across a post about the engine damper. When I saw the Ingall Stiffy like they call it I just wanted to give a try and test it. So I placed my order at Tai, owner of http://www.CorSportUSA.com he hooked me up with a good package deal for my front and rear Ingall camber kit and the Ingall Stiffy engine damper for about 150$ the Stiffy and 160$ for the 2 camber kit so I jumped on this deal. Tai also worked with Ingall as a prototype car for them to test the product so I trusted him when he told me that I will like the damper.

Anyway I installed the product and removed the famous inserts and all I can say is that I love how my car feels now. No vibrations at all I also noticed that the clutch feel smoother and more friendly. I also tested how the engine would move... my Tial wastegate mounted on my SST was alwas hitting my oil cooler lines before so I just installed a small piece of duct tape to see if there would be contact and the test was posive... the engine is staying in place.

The test to see if the WG was going to touch the tape worked... no contact = less movement of the engine compare to before ( there is about an inch or so between the WG and the tape )



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So I wont debate on the inserts vs. damper vs. aftermarket mount etc... Each one have its own advantage for a precise application but for me who want a smooth street car with mild power ( 300whp ) im really satisfied with this product but I wouldnt try cheaper imitation like the NRG etc... I couldnt ask for more from it. Its cheap, it works, no vibrations, smoother car, I was smilling like a child after the test.

So the main objective of my post was just to inform the people who have a similar setup/objective to mine that the should give a try to this Ingall stiffy and you will really LOVE to get a feeling of driving a brand new car with no vibrations I know that H-T is about helping each other so I just wanted to share my new experience !

PS: if you have a Civic COUPE 1995 si/ex that came with the front 10.3inch rotor like an Integra you must get the Integra kit... I ordered the 1992-95 kit and I learned that mu car came with an Integra mount ?? The braket from the kit wasnt working... hopefully Tai shipped me the Integra bracket to solve this :

If someone could explain this proble or have a 1995 Civic just like mine chime me in......




Mat

 

holy god......sorry just looking at the turbo set-up.....

 

I twas thinking about getting one of those. Question for you though. How is your cornering now that the inserts are out? Any real difference?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by FuNkDrSpOt &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I twas thinking about getting one of those. Question for you though. How is your cornering now that the inserts are out? Any real difference? </TD></TR></TABLE>

even if the damper is on the driver side I didnt noticed anything while cornering. It also help for traction... inserts just give the power to the wheels too directly IMO.

Anyway for a street car its just perfect from what I learned.

 

I've been using an energy suspension rear engine mount insert for years and I'm very happy with it. Most of the vibration occurs if you use the front inserts.

btw, i like the cam cover, where did you get it?

 

thats the stock cam cover, with a circle cut out and the cover painted about a 3 dollar project

 

btw nice setup

 

IT LOOKS EXACTLY LIKE THAT NRG ONE

 

siic bay setup

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by dohcMONSTER &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">holy god......sorry just looking at the turbo set-up..... </TD></TR></TABLE>

Me Too...i was like WTF...that **** is ***** brah

 

I'm looking at the mount and wondering.. can you still use a front upper tie bar if you use the stiffy?

 

Your turbo setup made my pants grow tight.

 

Just to let everyone know, J's racing, Weapon R, Signal Auto, NRG, along with Ingalls are all top-notch equipment manufacturers and all make engine torque dampers. It is about the price that you are willing to pay and how much premium you are wlling to put on the brand name (even then J's racing seems to have a competitive premium and they are definitely premium class brand name.) Material wise, the grades of aluminum, steel, and bushings are prety much the same and so is the design. As for being an "imitiation" I would have to say that Ingalls would be included because this design has been in Japan and engineered years before U.S. release. Price does not always mean quality. It is not to put Ingalls down but please do not put other manufacturers down in the process. Also take a look at that particular mounting bracket from the EK. Would you like to have a pair of welded brackets or one solid piece? I sell the other units and several of them are one piece construction and have better durability on this side. I have also experienced all units failing after 6-8 months and some that have lasted longer. So please do not use Honda-Tech as an advertising venue by putting down other manufacturers.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by CoolGuy160 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I have also experienced all units failing after 6-8 months</TD></TR></TABLE>
that's about how long mine lasted. it was nice when it worked though.

yellowturbo: great looking turbo setup

 

is there a fix for it when it stops working?

 

damn that D is built...

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by civic_driver &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">is there a fix for it when it stops working?</TD></TR></TABLE>
mine became a rattling shock shaft in a tube that, when I took it off the car, literally fell out of the shock body.

 

I have noticed that most of the time, that units lasting an average of 6 months is due to improper installation and adjustment. The only fix would be if the only unit that was damaged was the bushing. At that point it is a matter of exchanging the bushing. A recomendation to all is that there is a sacrifice between performance and longevity. The bushing load is actually adjustable using the large screw that compresses the bushing. If you want more stiffness but less longevity tighten it as much as you want, however, if you want a performance improvement that lasts longer, do not over tighten, this will allow more flexibility and allows the unit to last longer. Remember that this does not apply to the endlinks that do have to be securely tightened. I adjust mine accordingly for the track even swapping track (red bushings) and the street (black rubber bushings).
BTW I run "imitation" brands. One lasted 4 months when I didn't know any better and this one has been 10 months and going strong.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by CoolGuy160 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I have noticed that most of the time, that units lasting an average of 6 months is due to improper installation and adjustment. The only fix would be if the only unit that was damaged was the bushing. At that point it is a matter of exchanging the bushing. A recomendation to all is that there is a sacrifice between performance and longevity. The bushing load is actually adjustable using the large screw that compresses the bushing. If you want more stiffness but less longevity tighten it as much as you want, however, if you want a performance improvement that lasts longer, do not over tighten, this will allow more flexibility and allows the unit to last longer. Remember that this does not apply to the endlinks that do have to be securely tightened. I adjust mine accordingly for the track even swapping track (red bushings) and the street (black rubber bushings).
BTW I run "imitation" brands. One lasted 4 months when I didn't know any better and this one has been 10 months and going strong.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I hope mine will last lol and thanks for all this good information

Thanks for all the good reply guys ! Now here its snowing so the car is in my garage for 6 months

 

yup here in wisconsin wear i live 13 inches on the ground, my sno cross season starts soon!!

 

Wow! I didn't even know that edelbrock makes a D-series intake manifold.

Thanks for the review!

 

correct me if im wrong cause im not even sure but when u use these dampeners can u remove the lower tourqe mount or whatever?

 

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So can you still use a strut tower bar or not??

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by tuck’d98 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">yup here in wisconsin wear i live 13 inches on the ground, my sno cross season starts soon!! </TD></TR></TABLE>

Really ? I hope you race with a Bombardier not a Polaris ? lol

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by hondapwr &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

So can you still use a strut tower bar or not??</TD></TR></TABLE>

well it depend on the lenght of the bolts of your shocks... and usually a EG Civic would not be mounted this way. I dont know why my mount on the timing gear side is not like an EG... I have a EJ