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Old Nov 14, 2005 | 05:00 PM
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I recently took a look at a 2000 type R.The car is infamous in my town and is known as one of the fastest cars around.It was traded in at a dealership about a month ago and then my friend told me about it.They wanted 12900 for a car that is pushing 400 whp.Im also a subaru technician so a little work doesnt hurt me.Heres my issue....
When i start the car there is smoke coming out of the breather filter...After driving the car...there is oil everywhere!There is also coolant around the radiator.The car also smokes out the exhaust while driving.Its not bad cruisin on the highway but when you come to a stop light it looks like someone has a smoke machine near the car.
Now i would be getting a crazy deal because they offered me 8000 cash plus the car for my stock wrx.But im wondering do you think that the engine needs a rebuild?Could it be fixed if i removed all the aftermarket components and replaced with stock?Anyone have a similar problem

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Old Nov 14, 2005 | 07:04 PM
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smoke out the breater?
piston rings!
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Old Nov 14, 2005 | 07:29 PM
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LOL is this from the Chevy dealer? I low ball him into $11,000 and it work. If you want to buy it ask for $11000

EDIT: This is an email I got from him.

Very rare 2000 Acura Integra Type R, a real Type R car, not a clone. This
car is not for the mild, and could use some TLC in a couple of areas. Engine
work done in 2003 by the infamous JC Performance Factory in NYC(quite
possibly the finest import tuners in the country-phone number
718-857-5329)....estimated 400 horspower at 23 lbs of boost, engine work
includes Turbonetics T3 T4 turbo, Tial wastegate, Apex blow off valve, Accel
DFI engine management system, MSD ignition system and coil, STR fuel rail
with RC injectors, Aeromotive Fuel Regulator, Autometer Boost and Exhaust
Gauge, PWR aluminum radiator, factory limited slip, factory 5 speed manual
transmission, racing style clutch, power windows, power locks, and much
more.

Slight cracking in front bumper cover and dented(crimping style)above driver
side wheelwell(see pictures! I am showing the damage), some surface
scratches on and around the vehicle, no radio, a/c system in place inop, no
emissions, no cats, but very very fast. Over $15,000 invested in the motor
alone, it runs strong!

If you want this car to pass your state inspection, you will have to do some
work! If you want it to collect pink slips, it's ready to go!

Buying AS-IS where is, of course you have complete right to inspect vehicle
and cancel sale within 72 hours of auction end, as long as inspection is
done on my premises. I have access to a lift at no charge to you for your
thorough inspection and approval. Clean Title of course~!

If you have the time and ability to play with this car over the winter, you
can make it one serious street machine. The motor has been done the right
way, the car is solid, and you can't find these cars anywhere!~
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Old Nov 14, 2005 | 07:41 PM
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$11000 i would get it!
trade a wrx plus 8000...hell no
8000 plus wrx that means they are giving you 3000 for ur wrx....

sound like it needs rings, and headgasket
not a big deal.
do a compression test, leak down!
use best judgment, ur a tech! right?
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Old Nov 14, 2005 | 07:46 PM
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The PCV system that Honda designed for the DOHC engines is very insufficient. Especially for turbo charged hondas, unless done right you will experience a **** load of blow by. Do a search for 'PCV' and click on the link that has the most posts on it. I am running this guys setup. I have friends on here running it also, with no problems at all.

Like TypRice said, I'm going to agree that it could be the rings. If this is a stock motor with stock internals, my own experience is definately going to say it was the rings.
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Old Nov 17, 2005 | 02:39 PM
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no you dont understand they are giving me 8000 plus a high end stereo system that im gonna sell plus the car for my wrx.
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Old Nov 17, 2005 | 02:40 PM
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oh btw the engine is blown.. 4th cylinder is destroyed
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Old Nov 17, 2005 | 06:11 PM
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If you want a ITR sounds like a good deal to me.
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Old Nov 17, 2005 | 07:31 PM
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don't get it. you won't have a car to drive.
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Old Nov 18, 2005 | 12:26 AM
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buy a beater for a few bills unless you still have your CRX while you fix it.

I'm not against Turbo....but I'd sell off the Turbo components and just throw in a new shortblock by contacting "Len" IF you wanted to get it running ASAP.

Freshen up the head etc....

Otherwise, take your time with it.... and nurse it back to 400whp....

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Old Nov 18, 2005 | 09:33 AM
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Seems to me like a no brainer. If you like the car, go for it.

If you're a Subaru tech, then rebuilding the engine should be no problem at all. Not to mention that they are giving you the car plus money for your WRX.

The only down side I see here is that the car will be laid up for a while when you are rebuilding the motor.

The only other problem I see here is that if the engine was not maintained and abused, what is the body like? Has this thing been in any heavy collisions. Hate to say it, but alot of ITRs I have seen alway seem to have had some bodywork somewhere at sometime or another. If you can't spot bodywork from a mile away, find someone who has a keen eye for it and take it from there.

Good luck.
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Old Nov 23, 2005 | 05:30 PM
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i would do it then!
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Old Nov 24, 2005 | 01:28 AM
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I drove this car about three weeks ago. It is beat to $hit. The guy's name selling it is Eric. I told him that with the work it would need to make it right, it was only worth $9,000 to me. He came back with the $11,000. Good luck if you decide to go with it. Some things I remember about it:

-It is missing the radio and has just a big hole with a bunch of wires hanging out.

-The body has alot of blemishes and the drivers front fender was pretty screwed up.

-The rims are chipped/pitted pretty bad and would have to be replaced and then only used as a "winter set".

-The motor ran like crap just the way you describe it. Eric tried telling me it was bad spark plugs.

-There was a loud obnoxious rattle coming from the right rear quarter panel. That little demon will have to be chased down.

-The odometer is disconnected so the actual mileage could be anything. Eric said that it has a bad "sender" that went "last week" that could be replaced for "like a hundred bucks".

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-Something is weird with the back story of the vehicle. First Eric said that he was selling it for his brother. Then while we were looking at the car his brother walked up and said "If it doesn't sell by next week, I'm buying it back from the dealership!". That was three weeks ago and it seems the story likes to change around a bit.

The bottom line is that for the right money, it seems to be a just O.K. shell. Maybe you can part out the turbo and then rebuild the engine.

Hope this helps.

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Old Nov 25, 2005 | 01:15 PM
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any update??
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Old Nov 28, 2005 | 01:59 PM
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Greg...
I do not remember the guys name eric.I know gus is the guys brother.Yes it does need quiet alot of work.Its been 2 weeks since i test drove it.I am actually getting this car.Picking it up tommarow they are giving me $9500 plus the ITR for my 03 wrx.I think its not that bad.Expect the majority of the parts going on sale here however.Im gonna put it back to stock then resell the ITR.
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Old Nov 28, 2005 | 02:02 PM
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im thinking 9500 plus at least 4k in aftermarket stuff....accell dfi engine managment....turbo stuff...etc.Should give me 13500.This is one of those ITR's that is gonna get a b16 swap in there and ill re-sell with a paint job for 9k-10k.
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Old Nov 28, 2005 | 02:55 PM
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So after all of the hard work you should pretty much have $22K instead of your scooby doo. What was your car worth on it's own? Anyway, I hope your plan works out for you financially.

Here's another plan: Sell all of that aftermarket crap to repair the engine then have a body shop repair the fender and blend the paint. Finally chase out any little demons and pick up a cheap OEM Stock CD Player. At this point, you will have a solid Type-R with the "right" engine. It should be worth $15,500 to $16,500 put together that way. That would be less work and would net you around $25K to $26K total. Nevermind that small nagging little detail of the car being genuine instead of bastardized.

One other factor to consider is the time frame to complete your project. In my opinion the Type-R will sell better in the spring as opposed to the middle of winter.

Good luck with your project, I sincerely wish you the best.
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Old Nov 28, 2005 | 03:08 PM
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where in CT? Id like to have a looksee at this POS. PM Me the info if you dont mind.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by RTW DC2R &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">where in CT? Id like to have a looksee at this POS. PM Me the info if you dont mind. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Me too. I'm home for the holidays and I'm bored.
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Old Nov 28, 2005 | 03:23 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by DC2-911 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">So after all of the hard work you should pretty much have $22K instead of your scooby doo. What was your car worth on it's own? Anyway, I hope your plan works out for you financially.

Here's another plan: Sell all of that aftermarket crap to repair the engine then have a body shop repair the fender and blend the paint. Finally chase out any little demons and pick up a cheap OEM Stock CD Player. At this point, you will have a solid Type-R with the "right" engine. It should be worth $15,500 to $16,500 put together that way. That would be less work and would net you around $25K to $26K total. Nevermind that small nagging little detail of the car being genuine instead of bastardized.


One other factor to consider is the time frame to complete your project. In my opinion the Type-R will sell better in the spring as opposed to the middle of winter.

Good luck with your project, I sincerely wish you the best. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Greg,
I have been doing some research...my wrx is worth 16k as that is what other ones are going for with same year,color,mileage.Im going to take advantage the fact that im a tech and my brother does auto body.I also was looking on ebay....i am buy a JDM b18c ITR short block.I will swap everything over with bolt ons....selling all the aftermarket parts.I predict it will end up around 25kish total.All back to stock with a new engine/New body....
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Old Nov 28, 2005 | 03:24 PM
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plus the fact i have quite a bit of other parts to sell as well as another car....
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Old Nov 28, 2005 | 03:35 PM
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This is where I saw the car:

Champagne Chevrolet - 106 Storrs Road - Willimantic, CT 06226
Phone: 860-456-0008 or 800-682-6396 - Fax: 860-450-7050
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Old Nov 28, 2005 | 03:36 PM
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Thats where im getting it
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Old Nov 28, 2005 | 03:37 PM
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picking it up early tommarow
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Old Nov 28, 2005 | 03:43 PM
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If your car is worth $16,000 and they are giving you the car PLUS $9500 cash, basically you are buying the Type-R for $6500... Somethings up because I had offered him $9,000 for that car. It looks like in three short weeks desperation had set in (or there's some other detail your leaving out).

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Thanks for deciding to put a B18C back in. I don't know what it has to do with me, but somehow that makes me feel better.
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