what is the best K series block/head setup

 

For what, what are your goals? Naturally Aspirated setup or Boost Application. What is your price range? Going in a DC5 chassis, hatch, CRX?

Pretty much what is your scenario?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by NJslvrtypes &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">For what, what are your goals? Naturally Aspirated setup or Boost Application. What is your price range? Going in a DC5 chassis, hatch, CRX?

Pretty much what is your scenario?</TD></TR></TABLE>

what he said ^^^


Mine would be K24 block + K20 head + ITB's

 

Ha ha, good setup. Edo proved that one reliable to over 300 hp with amazing torque.

 

lol, yea Edo's is amazing. I saw the mag article on his and was like . There was another over on CRSX I saw with close to the same setup making around 280whp I beleive. It wasnt all out like Edo's but still had the basic K24 + K20 head + ITB's. Oh I wish I had money to make something like that...

 

the setup would be for my 2002 rsx, my goal is to reach somewhere around 240 naturally aspirated whp with stock bottom end and no ITB's

 

Wow, thats gonna be difficult with no ITB's and stock bottom end. You can't even do a hybrid because the K24 stock bottom end is going to keep you from reving high enough to make power. The pistons and rods would have to be changed.

I just don't think 240 hp is achievable without building the bottom end. You could get close with IPS K2's, CAI, RH, E, K-Pro, ITR Intake Manifold and some serious tuning. But still that would put you at 215-220ish.

I think you have to make some compromises to reach that type of power.

 

Yes I agree. I have seen the setup listed above make around 215-225whp. If you can live with those numbers then go with what is listed but if you need more and dont want to build the bottom end check out the Comptech Supercharger. It should give you numbers in the range you are looking for along with some more torque than the N/A setup typically would provide.

Also, just wanted to make sure we are all on the same page. You do have a type-S right? Because the k20a3 would be very hard pressed to see 240whp N/A no matter what the build

 

Yeah, good point. If your looking for a reliable 240 hp, the Comptech Supercharger on low boost will provide that easily. Plus it's carb approved, can't beat that.

People will tell you all day that FI is not reliable. Don't believe it for a single second. Get your supercharger properly installed and tuned and I guarantee you won't have any problems. The only thing that is going to happen is you need a stronger clutch, better tires, lsd, or more power.(Nitrous, Pulley,IPS Cams)

 

yea, thats a good set up

 

I saw that toda made 231 whp with just an intake, exhaust, header, and there engine kit on the k20a2. If you add a type r manifold, bigger throttle boddie, and cam gears with some tuning you should be able to make very close to 240 hp

 

This is true (231whp Toda kit, see link)

http://www.todaracing.com/prod....html

Keep in mind that the 231whp from the Toda kit included tuning from K-Pro (or so it seems from the site). The additional items you listed might or might not push you over your 240whp goal, I have not seen anyone using that setup. Dont think I am being a nay-sayer or anything though. That Toda engine kit is not too shabby at all.

If you def want to stay N/A and have the money, get the Toda kit... looks hot

Now that I look at that page again, does that $2700 price tag include the Intake, Header, and Exhaust? If not then it is much more expensive as the header itself it serious $$$. Just something to keep in mind.

 

Take manufactures claims with a grain of salt. Also a dynopack reads high and these claims were done with a full tune. In real world application the IPS K2's outperform the Toda N2's. I have seen it over and over. Just think Toda is claiming a gain of 37.6 hp just from their exhaust manifold.

Look at this link:

http://www.intrinsicperformanc...l.jpg

234 hp from IPS K2's with all the typical bolt ons. Doesn't mean you will even come close to those numbers but the 1/4 mile doesn't lie. Check out Ron's site.

Toda isn't exactly the best for the bang either. Their header is 1300 dollars. I'm sorry but for that price I could have purchase a DC header, get close to the same gains and still have some serious cash left over.

I just think your paying for the name.

If you want 240 hp NA spring for IPS stroker kit or a set of ITB's with IPS K2's. I think that this is the only way you are achieving those kind of numbers NA.

 

Toda actually claimed 37.6 with there header, exhaust and an injen intake. I saw that the IPS cams cost $2000 with a K-pro upgrade and the Toda engine kit for the same price has there camshafts valve spring kit and K-pro or K-1000 ecu upgrade. With basic bolt on's toda "claims" pretty much the same as the IPS cams with bolt ons.

Do any of you have the IPs cams on a k20a2 and where did you buy the from?
What bolt-ons did the person use from that dyno chart?

im still not sure what setup i am going to go with but right now i am leanig toward the Toda parts because i dont know anyone who has used the IPS cams

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by jdm_b0i &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Toda actually claimed 37.6 with there header, exhaust and an injen intake. I saw that the IPS cams cost $2000 with a K-pro upgrade and the Toda engine kit for the same price has there camshafts valve spring kit and K-pro or K-1000 ecu upgrade. With basic bolt on's toda "claims" pretty much the same as the IPS cams with bolt ons.

Do any of you have the IPs cams on a k20a2 and where did you buy the from?
What bolt-ons did the person use from that dyno chart?

im still not sure what setup i am going to go with but right now i am leanig toward the Toda parts because i dont know anyone who has used the IPS cams </TD></TR></TABLE>

The Toda kit is nice but no doubt very expensive. Check CRSX http://www.clubrsx.com there are many many people there using the IPS K2 and getting awsome results. The guy who owns (? does he... ?) IPS posts over there and his name is username is 'Edo'. Either way he is the man. Check the Naturally Aspirated forum over there and check out some of the results. Good place to go for info. NJslvrtypes might have some more insight as I think he posts over there and is prob there more often that I am (I just browse cuz i dont have an RSX )

I would still say go Injen CAI, DCRH, Exhaust of your choice, IPS K2, K-Pro and IM.

Either way good luck

 

Yeah, CRSX is an excellent place for info. on the DC5. Ron in his first year of business has sold over 100 sets of camshafts. He has since expanded to include turbo and supercharger cams that outperform Crower unbelievably. I can link at least tweny dynos to CRSX but thats not right to this forum. Go take a look as Slow EJ8 said at the NA forum over there. There are plenty of people running the IPS cams. Better yet give Ron an email, his customer service is second to none.

I can tell you that the first dyno you will run across is a member called MmmotorNutz. He made 237.6 hp and 176 ft lbs on Church Automotive's Dynopack. Search around over there and check out what the average N2 owner is putting down.

Also, when I purchased my N2's before I went turbo Ron was running a promo. I got the K2 Camshafts, K-Pro, Eibach Valve Springs and Retainers, and FREE INSTALLATION for 2100. I wish he was still running that promo for you. But you should be able to pick the K2's up for cheaper than Toda.

 

with a custom header (DTR, RMF, Burns, Hytech) ITR or IPS k2 cams, RBC (euro accord type r/'06+ civic si) intake manifold, K-pro, velocity stack & 3" exhaust 240 is attainable (ITR cams) 250+ with IPS cams...imagine all this in a 2300lb hatch with a jdm type r swap

don't believe me - see this thread 234whp & 160 tq on a dynojet (1st pg)
http://www.k20a.org/forum/showthread.php?t=4480 &lt;---lotsa dynos

Derek from hondata had incredible gains (throughout the powerband) over the PRC (ITR) mani when he switched to the RBC IM (like 17whp )
I have a RBC IM being shipped to a company to make intakes that fit (hopefully in '06+ si's too)

my hytech







Modified by adirondackR at 6:30 AM 11/16/2005

 

wow thats a crazy header

 

got some installed pix?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by NJslvrtypes &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Wow, thats gonna be difficult with no ITB's and stock bottom end. You can't even do a hybrid because the K24 stock bottom end is going to keep you from reving high enough to make power. The pistons and rods would have to be changed.

I just don't think 240 hp is achievable without building the bottom end. You could get close with IPS K2's, CAI, RH, E, K-Pro, ITR Intake Manifold and some serious tuning. But still that would put you at 215-220ish.

I think you have to make some compromises to reach that type of power.</TD></TR></TABLE>

<FONT SIZE="4">please stop spreading erroneous information around!! </FONT>

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by intrinsic performance solutions(IPS) &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The provided dyno charts were produced by testing a stock RSX-S fitted with the following mods:
- IPS-K2 camshafts
- PRC intake manifold w/bored TB
- Hondata IMG
- CAI with Prototype Racing Intake-Bell
- DC Race Header
- 5 Zigen catback
- Hondata K-Pro</TD></TR></TABLE>

 

Is that the Si lip i sold you? i changed from huggy bear to lynx bus type r
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TAKE A MANUFACTURER'S CLAIM WITH A GRAIN OF SALT!!!!!!

Aem claims 20.7hp from their cold air intake. What does that say to you.

I like Ron, his cams are amazing. The vast majority of people are putting out around 215 hp with IPS K2's. Despite what your dumbass thinks.

#1 Dyno numbers mean jack ****

#2 Peak numbers are jack ****. (Area under the curve is more important)

#3 A dyno is a tool used primarily for tuning.The 1/4 mile is a more accurate representation of horsepower.

#4 This dyno was done on a DYNOJET. D-Y-N-O-J-E-T. They are know to read extremely high. As a matter of fact there is another member with the same mods that has put out almost 240 hp on a dynojet.

#5 You will not reach 240 hp without ITB's. Even the manufacturers claim is not 240hp. Are you going to exceed the manufacturer's claim? Who do you think you are, really?

So, here is a dyno of IPS cams from a customer. This dyno was done by Evans Tuning. If you don't know who they are then you are more of a retard than I already proved.

http://forums.evans-tuning.com...=2669

And this was done with the Toda Race Header and RC 550's over the stock injectors.

So before you come attacking me like you know something, do your homework.
Have you ever owned IPS cams, I have. Have you ever dyno'd IPS cams, I have. Have you ever seen IPS cams, driven in a car with IPS cams, or taken a car with IPS cams to the track?

Please before you go attacking someone make sure your post makes sense.
Have a good one bud.

 

that is 231 hub hp...not to the whp...its on churchs dynapack...

 

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I like Ron, his cams are amazing. The vast majority of people are putting out around 215 hp with IPS K2's. Despite what your dumbass thinks.

#1 Dyno numbers mean jack ****

#2 Peak numbers are jack ****. (Area under the curve is more important)

#3 A dyno is a tool used primarily for tuning</TD></TR></TABLE>

all true, but then again dyno session vary day to day location to location condition to condition.

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#5 You will not reach 240 hp without ITB's. Even the manufacturers claim is not 240hp. Are you going to exceed the manufacturer's claim? Who do you think you are, really?</TD></TR></TABLE>

wrong captain cool guy. https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1436961

I didnt say anyting about reaching or exceeding 240 whp, you said

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by NJslvrtypes &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">that would put you at 215-220ish</TD></TR></TABLE>

And i said stop spreading erroneous information.

maybe you need to revise your statement to read "you wont reach or exceed 240who with any honda intake manifold." But even that would be erroneous.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Lynx Bus Type R &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">wrong captain cool guy. https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1436961</TD></TR></TABLE>

k20a != k20a2

dont think that header would fit in a DC5 anyways

but sick either way