I need to know what it would take. As I plan on building a b18c with 400whp.
I should have around 8500 for the build when I get my next go with the USAF.
Anyone...
Oh and I have something for you guys to read.
This was left on my cardomain.

Posted by sweetlonie
11/10/2005, 05:02pm
Right to the meat and potatoes. I am not from Tennessee. I am From Michigan. I only live HERE because I am in the US ARMY. Now. Lets See? I've never been anywhere. Do I know you? Didn't think so. And you obviously can not grasp my knowledge of Cars from my web page, nor do you even conceive my educational background. A 400+ HP Honda with Turbo Cams and a Turbo. Whats his displacement? Ported? Polished? CC'ed? Maybe an advanced Roller Rockers? Oversized Valves with a Tri-Angle Job? Bored? Pop-Up pistons? Forged Crank and Rods?

400+ HP Honda?

Go home Son.

It is not happening with any 4 cylinder without any of the afore mentioned.

Don't let me talk about fuel delivery, Ignition and so on and so on.....


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Yeah.
I'm in the USAF as a engineer. Was he supposed to impress me.
He doesn't know alot does he. He went into a completely built head and bottom end when I said, I've seen 300whp GSRs on a good tune.
Personally I have no clue where his paragraph of hate came from.

But I would love to see what actual Honda guys know and not some V8 meathead.


Modified by Rajin at 9:43 PM 11/10/2005

 

Well are you going NA or a boost setup? You can easily make 400whp w/ that motor no problem.

I plan to do a motor on that as well, I am actually going to go NA though w/ some Toda internals and probably a set of ITB's.

If you just upgraded the cams and gears, and an upgraded intake manifold w/ some sort of turbo(I know nothing about forced induction, so i'm not going to throw out any sizes)you could easily make 400 w/ a good tune.

Do some searching on the issue, ive seen 690whp dynoed at 2.0 BAR on a B18C1.

This <u>can</u> be achieved.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by BuilttB18C5 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Well are you going NA or a boost setup? You can easily make 400whp w/ that motor no problem.

I plan to do a motor on that as well, I am actually going to go NA though w/ some Toda internals and probably a set of ITB's.

If you just upgraded the cams and gears, and an upgraded intake manifold w/ some sort of turbo(I know nothing about forced induction, so i'm not going to throw out any sizes)you could easily make 400 w/ a good tune.

Do some searching on the issue, ive seen 690whp dynoed at 2.0 BAR on a B18C1.

This <u>can</u> be achieved. </TD></TR></TABLE>


Exactly what I thought.

I knew it didn't need complete head work to get that much HP out of it.

I have been searching around it just pissed me off some meathead that thinks because he is in the military he knows all.

 

LoL, 400 whp in no Joke. It takes alot of head work because it has to flow enough CFM's that is being pushed through the motor by 400 hp= a big turbo, 400 is not childs play

 

yea that dude sounds liek this ford mustang dipshit, that I knocked the crap out of.

 

what is the most HP or whp, or close to most, and we are excluding money, can a naturally aspired integra have? no turbo or anything.....

Peace........

 

you would have more luck in the ITR forum 400 WHP is nothing really. there are b18b motors putting down 600WHP

EDIT

Dont waste your time with v8 Jugheads.


Modified by dc4g at 12:11 PM 11/12/2005

 

Exactly what I was going on about to the guy after he comments all idiot like.

I seen his truck the other day. And walked it hard when he came up talking ****.

 

I am not biased torward one engine to another.

yes a 4 cylinder can be made faster.
yes a v8 can be made faster.
Reliability is all in the design of the engine.
It is very possible to get more power out of a 4 cylinder det-up, just depends how much money you are willing to drop into the engine. This will most likely not be smog legal.

 

making a b18c n/a with 400whp is a grip of work, and a lot of money. Much easier and less expensive if you go turbo. You'd have to go pro drag status to get 400whp n/a style lol. well thats my opinion anyway. Im a turbo man myself Plus I think what that army guy was trying to say that HE thinks its impossible for a "honda motor" in general to get 400whp n/a. Well obviously he hasn't seen Skunk 2's RSX, and that things got what? close to a thousand? No turbo, no nitrious, all motor

 

Perhaps try this setup....
Arias Pistons
Crower Rods
AEM fuel rail
RC injectors
Vortech FMU
Hondata S200B
T3/T4 turbo kit w/ IC, piping, turbo header, downpipe, Walbro fuel pump
15-18 psi on 91 octane
ACT stage 2
(You're gonna need axles, probably some that can pull 500 hp+)
sticky tires
Z10 traction bars
3" Exhaust
3 BAR map sensor
Boost Controller
(Probably some other stuff I'm forgetting about; I'll edit this later when I think of it)
ARP headstuds
Ferrea Valvetrain
maybe a ported intake manifold
Cometic head gasket, new OE gaskets and seals


Modified by TurboGS-R at 4:02 PM 11/12/2005

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by TurboGS-R &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Perhaps try this setup....
Arias Pistons
Crower Rods
AEM fuel rail
RC injectors
Vortech FMU
Hondata S200B
T3/T4 turbo kit w/ IC, piping, turbo header, downpipe, Walbro fuel pump
15-18 psi on 91 octane
ACT stage 2
(You're gonna need axles, probably some that can pull 500 hp+)
sticky tires
Z10 traction bars
3" Exhaust
3 BAR map sensor
Boost Controller
(Probably some other stuff I'm forgetting about; I'll edit this later when I think of it)
ARP headstuds
Ferrea Valvetrain
maybe a ported intake manifold</TD></TR></TABLE>

Why the FMU if you recommend he run Hondata as well?

 

ok guys pay attention!!!! The army guy was saying u can't make 400whp on a Naturally Aspirated<U></U> Engine! Don't give turbo set ups when we're trying ti disprove him in the n/a field....

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by lastpunkinline &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">ok guys pay attention!!!! The army guy was saying u can't make 400whp on a Naturally Aspirated<U></U> Engine! Don't give turbo set ups when we're trying ti disprove him in the n/a field.... </TD></TR></TABLE>

Is he? Maybe it's just me, but I don't really see that part of his challenge. I thought it was basically getting 400whp with as few modifications as possible, such as just pistons and rods + turbo kit/tuning, which is feasible.

If, in the event that I did miss something, we are actually going for 400 normally aspirated horsepower, then this thread is pointless. It's not going to happen without a lot more than the 8 grand the OP has and more mods than the v-8 guy listed.

 

He said this boys

"A 400+ HP Honda with Turbo."

Yes he was going on about TURBO'ed Hondas.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Rajin &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> A 400+ HP Honda with Turbo Cams and a Turbo. Whats his displacement? Ported? Polished? CC'ed? Maybe an advanced Roller Rockers? Oversized Valves with a Tri-Angle Job? Bored? Pop-Up pistons? Forged Crank and Rods?

400+ HP Honda?

Go home Son.

It is not happening with any 4 cylinder without any of the afore mentioned.

Don't let me talk about fuel delivery, Ignition and so on and so on.....

Modified by Rajin at 9:43 PM 11/10/2005</TD></TR></TABLE>

This guy was definitely talking about making 400wph with turbo. YOu go tell him to go to centralfloridaturbo.com and look at the dyno vids. I'm sure he will **** a brick when he sees the Civic Si making 537 whp, and the Integra making 502whp.
Then tell him to look at the video of the Si at Moroso Speedway making 749 whp on the dyno!!!! Tell him if he wants a 4 cylinder to run, go talk to them, I'm sure that underrated 4 cylinder will walk that *****!!!

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by loudassVTEC &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">This guy was definitely talking about making 400wph with turbo. YOu go tell him to go to centralfloridaturbo.com and look at the dyno vids. I'm sure he will **** a brick when he sees the Civic Si making 537 whp, and the Integra making 502whp.
Then tell him to look at the video of the Si at Moroso Speedway making 749 whp on the dyno!!!! Tell him if he wants a 4 cylinder to run, go talk to them, I'm sure that underrated 4 cylinder will walk that *****!!!</TD></TR></TABLE>

I ran into the guy not to long back with a friend of mine well this V8 guy he is stationed here in TN in his Army unit.

I introduce myself to him the funny thing is when I try to get him to pop his hood he wont.

(BTW Im in the USAF and Army people don't seem to take us serious)

 

Oh I have a picture of his truck I'll show you guys later.

 

400whp out of an NA gsr, please dont make me laugh, that would be so unpractical for a street car, considering you wouldnt be able to drive it on the street if thats your motive.

 

N/A, to make 400 hp, you'd have to run like 18:1 compression, and running alcohol, and you'd have to have like a 3L stroker kit, or something crazy!!

 

Which is why we aren't talking about NA.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by mjc1055 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Which is why we aren't talking about NA.</TD></TR></TABLE>

 

Anybody read the articles in HCI magazine. They made over 300 whp on a stock B16 motor with a turbo before it went. Then, once they replaced the pistons and rods, they then made over 400 whp. All it took was a properly tuned motor. I have both articles.

 

the most i seen na full built by the best builders in the world for honda is about 290hp naturally aspirated. thes used it in crx's and ran easy 10's.

 

290 is the most horsepower that someone has made from a NA motor? id think that it was alot more then that. what was the setup. the only reason that i ask is because i plan on going NA with my GSR. I was thinking about going with a stroker kit. but still reading up on it. how much horse power do you think a stroker kit will make with a good tune.
along with my other mods:
-skunk2 stage 2 cams
-full header back exhaust
-AEM cold air intake
-6 puck clutch
-nologly wires
-ported and polished intake manifold
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