so i just put on the koni/gc shock/coilover combo...i lowered it a decent amount, and put on some brand new rims and tires...so i had been putting off getting it aligned...and i finally went in today...and the guy said there was no way for them to adjust the camber on the wheels...is this true?...he said i would HAVE to get a camber kit...i didnt know that a camber kit was necessary....if it is...can someone point me in the right direction on what i would need to do?..is this all i need?:
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1179927
also...if i got the camber kit, would i even need to take it to get it aligned...or is it possible to diy?

thanks in advance

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by alacard &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">so i just put on the koni/gc shock/coilover combo...i lowered it a decent amount, and put on some brand new rims and tires...so i had been putting off getting it aligned...and i finally went in today...and the guy said there was no way for them to adjust the camber on the wheels...is this true?...he said i would HAVE to get a camber kit...i didnt know that a camber kit was necessary....if it is...can someone point me in the right direction on what i would need to do?..is this all i need?:
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1179927
also...if i got the camber kit, would i even need to take it to get it aligned...or is it possible to diy?

thanks in advance</TD></TR></TABLE>

u dont need a camber kit.. just get the toe zeroed out... if u lower or raise ur car then ur gonna have to get the car aligned again

 

but i can even see the camber in the back..its way off...the tire looks more like this: /
instead of like this: |
wont that completely wear out the tire on the inside?

 

it would wear your tires out pretty quick but they still can align it. it may not be dead on but they should be able to get it close enough. thats what i did i rotate my tires like once a month and im aight.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by fast hatch &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">it would wear your tires out pretty quick but they still can align it. it may not be dead on but they should be able to get it close enough. thats what i did i rotate my tires like once a month and im aight. </TD></TR></TABLE>

hmm...yeah...the guy said they can adjust the toe but not camber...because the car just doesnt have anything to adjust it with (unless i buy a kit)....so i guess its a matter of paying now for the kit...or paying later (or sooner than later) for tires.

 

Even though you can see the negative camber, it still won't cause premature tire wear. Poor toe settings, however, will cause the cambered edge to wear excesivly fast. Get the toe set to zero and you should be pleasently surprised just how long your tires can last.

my 94 CX is lowered 2.5-3" and I got almost 50k miles on my Euro TA (340 treadwear). No camber kits & only 2 tire rotations...

 

time for me to get an alignment, Mr. Tire, Midas, etc good enough?

 

Should be...

 

thanks for the replies...ill go ahead and stop by the shop again...but just out of curiousity...what exactly is the benefit of having zero camber?..or is there none?

 

Increased outter tire wear from "spirited" driving... LOL!

Really it provides greater traction for braking & acceleration, but thats about it (but even thats debatable with dive & squat geometry). Zero camber would be ideal for drag racing & grandma drivers...

 

sorry to bring this back up again...but i went back to get the alignment done...and the guy insisted that i should really get a camber kit, he said it would wear out my tires like crazy...i called some people and eventually decided just to get the alignment done without camber or caster adjusted...the guy says if i bring it back within a month with the camber kit on, they wont charge for another alignment...so WHATS THE DEAL...some people say it will wear my tires out, other say it wont...i dont know what to go with.

 

Camber kit will help but its not needed, Do the washer trick on the back.

Negative camber performs better anyway

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by dc4g &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Camber kit will help but its not needed, Do the washer trick on the back.

Negative camber performs better anyway </TD></TR></TABLE>

hmmm, whats the washer trick?

 

it fixes the camber in the rear, There are bolts that hold the uca in the rear on just buy high grade bolts that are longer and place washers in behind the bracket repeat untill desired camber angle is acheived. then get it aligned.

Try searching.

 

The toe setting is most important.
I've run camber correction kits in all of my cars and have had awesome results when it came to tire wear, along with propper tire pressure and consitent tire rotations.
If the majority of you driving is done on the highway and surface streets I would suggest having camber correction kits installed and set up propperly. What has worked for me is to have as much camber taken out of the rear as possible without having the outside of my tires rub on the fender. I leave at least one degree of negative camber in the front for better turn in. Also, if you take out all of the negative in the front, your car will follow every contour of the road and that's no fun. Make sure that your toe settings are set up as close to factory specs as possible.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ECAhatch &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> time for me to get an alignment, Mr. Tire, Midas, etc good enough?</TD></TR></TABLE> I 2ND THIS GUY

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by dc4g &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Camber kit will help but its not needed, Do the washer trick on the back.

Negative camber performs better anyway </TD></TR></TABLE>

yea.. depends what you are using the car for...

negativ camber effect break lenght and straight line driving and others...

but yes in a hard corner it will be better... but most peep dont use that..

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by alacard &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">sorry to bring this back up again...but i went back to get the alignment done...and the guy insisted that i should really get a camber kit, he said it would wear out my tires like crazy...i called some people and eventually decided just to get the alignment done without camber or caster adjusted...the guy says if i bring it back within a month with the camber kit on, they wont charge for another alignment...so WHATS THE DEAL...some people say it will wear my tires out, other say it wont...i dont know what to go with.</TD></TR></TABLE>

won't wear "like crazy." will wear slightly faster on the inside, and by slightly i mean really really slightly.

what are your current camber settings? if they're less than -3 degrees (meaning something like -2, -1.5, -2.3) i wouldn't worry about the camber kit.

camber kits are nice to have, but not to save tires--just for suspension tuning purposes. once again, unless you've got insane camber settings, just zero out the toe.

 

how bout my suspension setup?

Rear:

Camber: before/after
L: -2.29 / -2.37
R: -2.48 / -3.08

Toe: before/after
L: - 0.1mm / +2.0mm
R: +2.2mm / +2.0mm

Front:

Camber: before/after
L: -2.17 / -2.19
R: -1.56 / -2.05

Toe: before/after
L: -2.5mm / +2.1mm
R: -0.3mm / +1.9mm


Is this a good wheel alignment?

 

Nope, it's horrible, why so much toe front and back?

 

hmm thats strange, he works for a reputable performance shop...

what should i recommend he do?

 

you have abit 2 much diffrens in camber on the rear.. (somthing needs change or something is bent

and if it is a EG i would go about 0 front and 0 to like max -0,5 degree in the back