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How many of you folks in here ever driven up in the canyons, mountains, whatever you want to call it, like the initial D anime? I been up there in my Del Sol twice and it’s pretty damn scary/challenging to stay in-between the lines. We don’t race each other by the way, and we go in the middle of the night when nobody is up there, except people getting high or having sex. Anyway, every turn I took felt like my car was going to spin out for some reason. I know there’s mad body-flex on this car but man… what suspension upgrades will help me out?
So far I have:
-front/rear strut bars
-lower DC tie brace (yea I know it sucks)
-integra LS sway bar.
So far I have:
-front/rear strut bars
-lower DC tie brace (yea I know it sucks)
-integra LS sway bar.
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I’m scared… I’ve been driving an accord all my life. It’s like I’m a new driver again. I barely got this thing in march and it’s only been drivable for 2 months. I’m getting a set of koni yellows but I’m not sure how much help it would be. Thinking about a 22mm sway also. Comptech tie/sway combo.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by david »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I’m scared… I’ve been driving an accord all my life. It’s like I’m a new driver again. I barely got this thing in march and it’s only been drivable for 2 months. I’m getting a set of koni yellows but I’m not sure how much help it would be. Thinking about a 22mm sway also. Comptech tie/sway combo.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Keep that sh*t on the track. Nobody here who has any knowledge is going to give you any advice on setup when you're out being a jackass on public roads.
Keep that sh*t on the track. Nobody here who has any knowledge is going to give you any advice on setup when you're out being a jackass on public roads.
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Keep that sh*t on the track. Nobody here who has any knowledge in here is going to give you any advice on setup when you're out being a jackass on public roads.
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are you stupid? it's up in the middle of nowhere. Your chances on the tracks of killing people are more likely than where I drive at. Stop being a jackass and go flame somewhere else. ******.
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He's talking about responsibility. Racing on the track means that everyone thats there, and in possible danger from driving accidents, knows about these risks, and accepts them.
When you go driving on public roads (a public road is a public road, no matter what time of day it is, no matter how secluded), there is always a chance that a bystander will wander onto the street, ALWAYS. There is always that risk, and we are not given the right to take that risk for others, by endangering them with our actions. There is also a matter of these accidents driving up insurance costs for everyone else.
There is a difference between racing on the track and racing on the street, and its called responsibility. And its not like there is a shortage of track days or events out in CA. Try your hand at one of these events, its going to be safer, more challenging, and probably more fun.
Modified by PIC Performance at 11:32 AM 11/7/2005
When you go driving on public roads (a public road is a public road, no matter what time of day it is, no matter how secluded), there is always a chance that a bystander will wander onto the street, ALWAYS. There is always that risk, and we are not given the right to take that risk for others, by endangering them with our actions. There is also a matter of these accidents driving up insurance costs for everyone else.
There is a difference between racing on the track and racing on the street, and its called responsibility. And its not like there is a shortage of track days or events out in CA. Try your hand at one of these events, its going to be safer, more challenging, and probably more fun.
Modified by PIC Performance at 11:32 AM 11/7/2005
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by PIC Performance »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">He's talking about responsibility. Racing on the track means that everyone thats there, and in possible danger from driving accidents, knows about these risks, and accepts them.
When you go driving on public roads (a public road is a public road, no matter what time of day it is, no matter how secluded), there is always a chance that a bystander will wander onto the street, ALWAYS. There is always that risk, and we are not given the right to take that risk for others, by endangering them with our actions. There is also a matter of these accidents driving up insurance costs for everyone else.
There is a difference between racing on the track and racing on the street, and its called responsibility. </TD></TR></TABLE>
Look, I’m not here to argue.
You take the risk everyday when you get into a car and drive to work, school, etc…? Here’s a point I want to make. Yea, it’s a “public” road and what? A parking lot is “public”, and that’s where I learned how to drive. Not a soul there but myself. Just because a track is called a “track” doesn’t mean the some random **** can happen. What happens when you lose control and run into somebody… a spectator? If this was to happen where I drive, I would end up off the cliff, but at least nobody would be dead but myself. Trust me, nobody walks around where I drive unless they want to get owned by some coyotes and hardly anybody lives up there. And I also don’t have the time (daytime) and money for it.
Matter of fact, there are fewer people where I drive than at the “track”. You people swear I’m an idiot. I kind of knew some person was going to flame me. Jesus, what happened to Honda-Tech. Anyway, if nobody is going to post anything helpful, let my thread die. Thanks
When you go driving on public roads (a public road is a public road, no matter what time of day it is, no matter how secluded), there is always a chance that a bystander will wander onto the street, ALWAYS. There is always that risk, and we are not given the right to take that risk for others, by endangering them with our actions. There is also a matter of these accidents driving up insurance costs for everyone else.
There is a difference between racing on the track and racing on the street, and its called responsibility. </TD></TR></TABLE>
Look, I’m not here to argue.
You take the risk everyday when you get into a car and drive to work, school, etc…? Here’s a point I want to make. Yea, it’s a “public” road and what? A parking lot is “public”, and that’s where I learned how to drive. Not a soul there but myself. Just because a track is called a “track” doesn’t mean the some random **** can happen. What happens when you lose control and run into somebody… a spectator? If this was to happen where I drive, I would end up off the cliff, but at least nobody would be dead but myself. Trust me, nobody walks around where I drive unless they want to get owned by some coyotes and hardly anybody lives up there. And I also don’t have the time (daytime) and money for it.
Matter of fact, there are fewer people where I drive than at the “track”. You people swear I’m an idiot. I kind of knew some person was going to flame me. Jesus, what happened to Honda-Tech. Anyway, if nobody is going to post anything helpful, let my thread die. Thanks
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The point is, when you do this type of thing, people aren't concerned for your safety at all. Its a matter of who you will potentially hurt with your actions.
On a track, everyone there understands that they might be hurt in an accident. They don't expect it, but if it happens, its a risk that they accepted when they set foot on the track. Spectators know it, drivers know it, workers know it. So insurance rates won't go up when you crash and burn, nobody will sue when a wayward tire flies into the stands, and chances are there is enough safety equipment and precautions on a track to prevent what could otherwise have been a fatal accident. Whether there's a crowd of 1000 or just 1 spectator, it doesn't matter.
On the street, there is none of this: no understanding, no safety equipment or precautions like you have on a track, and insurance companies don't look kindly on street racing. What there is are innocent bystanders who aren't expecting you to come racing around a corner and end their lives. Yes, its a risk they took stepping out the door that morning, but you're the one that caused that risk to take place. We aren't talking acts of nature or unavoidable things. We're talking about you intentionally putting the lives of others in danger, and saying that its OK because they take risks all the time. Its not OK, you know it, I know it, everyone knows it. Don't play it off like its not a big deal because you haven't killed anyone yet.
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Maybe we grew up?
On a track, everyone there understands that they might be hurt in an accident. They don't expect it, but if it happens, its a risk that they accepted when they set foot on the track. Spectators know it, drivers know it, workers know it. So insurance rates won't go up when you crash and burn, nobody will sue when a wayward tire flies into the stands, and chances are there is enough safety equipment and precautions on a track to prevent what could otherwise have been a fatal accident. Whether there's a crowd of 1000 or just 1 spectator, it doesn't matter.
On the street, there is none of this: no understanding, no safety equipment or precautions like you have on a track, and insurance companies don't look kindly on street racing. What there is are innocent bystanders who aren't expecting you to come racing around a corner and end their lives. Yes, its a risk they took stepping out the door that morning, but you're the one that caused that risk to take place. We aren't talking acts of nature or unavoidable things. We're talking about you intentionally putting the lives of others in danger, and saying that its OK because they take risks all the time. Its not OK, you know it, I know it, everyone knows it. Don't play it off like its not a big deal because you haven't killed anyone yet.
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Maybe we grew up?
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You people swear I’m an idiot.</TD></TR></TABLE>
You make a good point...
You people swear I’m an idiot.</TD></TR></TABLE>
You make a good point...
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by PIC Performance »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The point is, when you do this type of thing, people aren't concerned for your safety at all. Its a matter of who you will potentially hurt with your actions.
On a track, everyone there understands that they might be hurt in an accident. They don't expect it, but if it happens, its a risk that they accepted when they set foot on the track. Spectators know it, drivers know it, workers know it. So insurance rates won't go up when you crash and burn, nobody will sue when a wayward tire flies into the stands, and chances are there is enough safety equipment and precautions on a track to prevent what could otherwise have been a fatal accident. Whether there's a crowd of 1000 or just 1 spectator, it doesn't matter.
On the street, there is none of this: no understanding, no safety equipment or precautions like you have on a track, and insurance companies don't look kindly on street racing. What there is are innocent bystanders who aren't expecting you to come racing around a corner and end their lives. Yes, its a risk they took stepping out the door that morning, but you're the one that caused that risk to take place. We aren't talking acts of nature or unavoidable things. We're talking about you intentionally putting the lives of others in danger, and saying that its OK because they take risks all the time. Its not OK, you know it, I know it, everyone knows it. Don't play it off like its not a big deal because you haven't killed anyone yet.
Maybe we grew up?</TD></TR></TABLE>
you need to stop with the "street racing" term. I’m not racing. Seems like you’re more worried about insurance rates and all the legal issues than somebody dying. Lol
anyway, I guess that’s your mentality. Just because it’s legal, hey why not drive at the track. In my opinion… It’s more secluded where I drive than on the track. I have fewer chances of killing somebody because the odds of people being out ARE in fact 1000:1. I seen more instances of people getting killed at the track (any track) than up in the canyons (except for the ones who kill themselves). Whatever though, I don’t care and I will continue to do it.
Honda-Tech didn’t grow up. Trust me… it’s far from grown up.
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You make a good point... </TD></TR></TABLE>
hey, where you been?
On a track, everyone there understands that they might be hurt in an accident. They don't expect it, but if it happens, its a risk that they accepted when they set foot on the track. Spectators know it, drivers know it, workers know it. So insurance rates won't go up when you crash and burn, nobody will sue when a wayward tire flies into the stands, and chances are there is enough safety equipment and precautions on a track to prevent what could otherwise have been a fatal accident. Whether there's a crowd of 1000 or just 1 spectator, it doesn't matter.
On the street, there is none of this: no understanding, no safety equipment or precautions like you have on a track, and insurance companies don't look kindly on street racing. What there is are innocent bystanders who aren't expecting you to come racing around a corner and end their lives. Yes, its a risk they took stepping out the door that morning, but you're the one that caused that risk to take place. We aren't talking acts of nature or unavoidable things. We're talking about you intentionally putting the lives of others in danger, and saying that its OK because they take risks all the time. Its not OK, you know it, I know it, everyone knows it. Don't play it off like its not a big deal because you haven't killed anyone yet.
Maybe we grew up?</TD></TR></TABLE>
you need to stop with the "street racing" term. I’m not racing. Seems like you’re more worried about insurance rates and all the legal issues than somebody dying. Lol
anyway, I guess that’s your mentality. Just because it’s legal, hey why not drive at the track. In my opinion… It’s more secluded where I drive than on the track. I have fewer chances of killing somebody because the odds of people being out ARE in fact 1000:1. I seen more instances of people getting killed at the track (any track) than up in the canyons (except for the ones who kill themselves). Whatever though, I don’t care and I will continue to do it.
Honda-Tech didn’t grow up. Trust me… it’s far from grown up.
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hey, where you been?
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by david »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
you need to stop with the "street racing" term. I’m not racing. </TD></TR></TABLE>
No, but you're doing something dangerous and illegal, and with a statement like this:
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by david »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I’m scared… I’ve been driving an accord all my life. It’s like I’m a new driver again. </TD></TR></TABLE>
you're obviously overdriving the car and your own limits, and running out of talent very fast.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by david »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I have fewer chances of killing somebody because the odds of people being out ARE in fact 1000:1. I seen more instances of people getting killed at the track (any track) than up in the canyons (except for the ones who kill themselves). Whatever though, I don’t care and I will continue to do it.
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And you're obviously going to be one of those people with that kind of attitude. You're making a contradictory argument to justify your actions. It's not about how many people are around, but the caliber and mentality of the people in a controled environment. You're saying that you've driven that road 1000 times, and never came across a single person?
I'm not sure where you're getting your data from about death rates, but this race season, I know of only two track deaths; and I'm pretty sure I can search california papers to find that many deaths related to canyoning / street racing etc in the last month. How many crashes have there been in Nascar this season, and when was the last time someone was fatally injured?
The point is moot anyway. You're going to go on being master of the canyon run, and go off with an indestructable attitude until you're talent runs out at a really inopportune time. We're just trying to point out something to you that you're going to learn the hard way; hopefully not taking out anyone innocent with you.
you need to stop with the "street racing" term. I’m not racing. </TD></TR></TABLE>
No, but you're doing something dangerous and illegal, and with a statement like this:
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by david »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I’m scared… I’ve been driving an accord all my life. It’s like I’m a new driver again. </TD></TR></TABLE>
you're obviously overdriving the car and your own limits, and running out of talent very fast.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by david »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I have fewer chances of killing somebody because the odds of people being out ARE in fact 1000:1. I seen more instances of people getting killed at the track (any track) than up in the canyons (except for the ones who kill themselves). Whatever though, I don’t care and I will continue to do it.
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And you're obviously going to be one of those people with that kind of attitude. You're making a contradictory argument to justify your actions. It's not about how many people are around, but the caliber and mentality of the people in a controled environment. You're saying that you've driven that road 1000 times, and never came across a single person?
I'm not sure where you're getting your data from about death rates, but this race season, I know of only two track deaths; and I'm pretty sure I can search california papers to find that many deaths related to canyoning / street racing etc in the last month. How many crashes have there been in Nascar this season, and when was the last time someone was fatally injured?
The point is moot anyway. You're going to go on being master of the canyon run, and go off with an indestructable attitude until you're talent runs out at a really inopportune time. We're just trying to point out something to you that you're going to learn the hard way; hopefully not taking out anyone innocent with you.
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You're making a contradictory argument to justify your actions.
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tell me how?
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It's not about how many people are around, but the caliber and mentality of the people in a controled environment.
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so it would be ok if people died but as long as it's regulated, it's cool. i got it.
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You're saying that you've driven that road 1000 times, and never came across a single person?
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i came across 1 truck that night. 18miles in length. i do keep count so don't ask me twice.
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I'm not sure where you're getting your data from about death rates, but this race season, I know of only two track deaths; and I'm pretty sure I can search california papers to find that many deaths related to canyoning / street racing etc in the last month.
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spectators and participants both die sometimes. but at least my chances of killing somebody are fewer than yours because of where i'm driving it, regulated or not. this is one of the reason i never attended one. **** happens... illegal or not.
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The point is moot anyway. You're going to go on being master of the canyon run, and go off with an indestructable attitude until you're talent runs out at a really inopportune time. We're just trying to point out something to you that you're going to learn the hard way; hopefully not taking out anyone innocent with you.
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i agree, so be careful when you drive at the track right?
You're making a contradictory argument to justify your actions.
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tell me how?
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It's not about how many people are around, but the caliber and mentality of the people in a controled environment.
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so it would be ok if people died but as long as it's regulated, it's cool. i got it.
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You're saying that you've driven that road 1000 times, and never came across a single person?
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i came across 1 truck that night. 18miles in length. i do keep count so don't ask me twice.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by AutoXer »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
I'm not sure where you're getting your data from about death rates, but this race season, I know of only two track deaths; and I'm pretty sure I can search california papers to find that many deaths related to canyoning / street racing etc in the last month.
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spectators and participants both die sometimes. but at least my chances of killing somebody are fewer than yours because of where i'm driving it, regulated or not. this is one of the reason i never attended one. **** happens... illegal or not.
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The point is moot anyway. You're going to go on being master of the canyon run, and go off with an indestructable attitude until you're talent runs out at a really inopportune time. We're just trying to point out something to you that you're going to learn the hard way; hopefully not taking out anyone innocent with you.
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i agree, so be careful when you drive at the track right?
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Do whatever you want. The point is that people who are at a track are taking a calculated risk, and every justifiable safety measure is in place to make sure nobody is hurt. Does it happen? Yes. But your argument that because there's more people there you increase the risk is unfounded, and that's the basis of your argument.
There is no correlation between the amount of people at a motorsport event and the risk of fatality, whearas, there is a huge risk associated with street racing (using it as a general term for illegal and risky driving behaviour). There's a story almost every week about someone getting killed as a result of 'street racing'.
Risky behaviour leads to more risk involved. I know what I'm getting into when I go to the track, but I don't think that guy driving the truck new there was someone on that road that had no consideration for his life because he thought he was a fantastic driver and was being safe. And by being on a road once, and seeing a fellow motorist is a 100% chance of running into someone, not 1 in 1000.
If I die or kill someone at the track, that was a calculated risk for all involved, and a fairly small one at that. You plow into a minivan, you may kill some kids who just wanted to go to grama's house. That's really the difference.
I really don't care to discuss this further, becuase you will never justify something like this to me, or many others on this board; and you don't have anything to back up your risk assesment arguments for being at the track other than your own opinions and faith in your driving skills.
There is no correlation between the amount of people at a motorsport event and the risk of fatality, whearas, there is a huge risk associated with street racing (using it as a general term for illegal and risky driving behaviour). There's a story almost every week about someone getting killed as a result of 'street racing'.
Risky behaviour leads to more risk involved. I know what I'm getting into when I go to the track, but I don't think that guy driving the truck new there was someone on that road that had no consideration for his life because he thought he was a fantastic driver and was being safe. And by being on a road once, and seeing a fellow motorist is a 100% chance of running into someone, not 1 in 1000.
If I die or kill someone at the track, that was a calculated risk for all involved, and a fairly small one at that. You plow into a minivan, you may kill some kids who just wanted to go to grama's house. That's really the difference.
I really don't care to discuss this further, becuase you will never justify something like this to me, or many others on this board; and you don't have anything to back up your risk assesment arguments for being at the track other than your own opinions and faith in your driving skills.
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Then leave you moron. Don't come on here asking people how to make your car faster while doing dangerous ****. You don't know what the f*ck you're talking about so STFU. The risk at the track is far less than on a canyon road, probably even your commute to work.
Here are some pointers.
I've never seen anyone driving in the opposite direction at a race track, I see it all the time on the street.
Everyone on the track is on the track for the same reasons. There are no little kids, there are no old ladys ready to pull in front of you. Sure your defense is that it's late and nobody's up there. All it takes is one person to be up there.
If you go off at the track 99 times out of 100 you're going to be fine and you're car will just get a little dusty. If you go off on a canyon road you're going to at the very least ball up your car. You could go over the edge and die.
I'm not sure where you get the figures that more people people die at races. I've not heard of one spectator being killed at a race this year (or in recent years)
In summation, you are a freaking idot. You're afraid to go to the track because people in slower cars will hand you your ***. Stop being a ***** and start going to the track.
Then leave you moron. Don't come on here asking people how to make your car faster while doing dangerous ****. You don't know what the f*ck you're talking about so STFU. The risk at the track is far less than on a canyon road, probably even your commute to work.
Here are some pointers.
I've never seen anyone driving in the opposite direction at a race track, I see it all the time on the street.
Everyone on the track is on the track for the same reasons. There are no little kids, there are no old ladys ready to pull in front of you. Sure your defense is that it's late and nobody's up there. All it takes is one person to be up there.
If you go off at the track 99 times out of 100 you're going to be fine and you're car will just get a little dusty. If you go off on a canyon road you're going to at the very least ball up your car. You could go over the edge and die.
I'm not sure where you get the figures that more people people die at races. I've not heard of one spectator being killed at a race this year (or in recent years)
In summation, you are a freaking idot. You're afraid to go to the track because people in slower cars will hand you your ***. Stop being a ***** and start going to the track.
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Originally Posted by AutoXer
Do whatever you want. The point is that people who are at a track are taking a calculated risk, and every justifiable safety measure is in place to make sure nobody is hurt. Does it happen? Yes. But your argument that because there's more people there you increase the risk is unfounded, and that's the basis of your argument.
Originally Posted by AutoXer
There is no correlation between the amount of people at a motorsport event and the risk of fatality, whearas, there is a huge risk associated with street racing (using it as a general term for illegal and risky driving behaviour). There's a story almost every week about someone getting killed as a result of 'street racing'.
Originally Posted by AutoXer
Risky behaviour leads to more risk involved. I know what I'm getting into when I go to the track, but I don't think that guy driving the truck new there was someone on that road that had no consideration for his life because he thought he was a fantastic driver and was being safe. And by being on a road once, and seeing a fellow motorist is a 100% chance of running into someone, not 1 in 1000.
Originally Posted by AutoXer
If I die or kill someone at the track, that was a calculated risk for all involved, and a fairly small one at that. You plow into a minivan, you may kill some kids who just wanted to go to grama's house. That's really the difference.
Originally Posted by AutoXer
I really don't care to discuss this further, becuase you will never justify something like this to me, or many others on this board; and you don't have anything to back up your risk assesment arguments for being at the track other than your own opinions and faith in your driving skills.
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Re: (david)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by david »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">go in the GDD forum and you'll see at least 1 video clip of somebody getting killed in the audience at an automotive event ever month.</TD></TR></TABLE>
WTF? You've got to be kidding me. Name one road racing even in the US that has had an injured spectator this year. It doesn't matter how many times you tell yourself it's ok, or how much you try to convince others, street racing (that IS what you're doing) is illegal, it's dangerous, and it DOES kill people. It might just be you out there laying at the bottom of the hill dead, or it may be someone you crashed into.
Lets go back to your first post though. Lets say for instance you asked this same question and replaced cnayons with race tracks. The answer is .... nothing. Do nothing to your car and spend more time at the track with instructors. You might think that you're a mad tiite driver, but you're not. Once you realize that you'll start getting better.
WTF? You've got to be kidding me. Name one road racing even in the US that has had an injured spectator this year. It doesn't matter how many times you tell yourself it's ok, or how much you try to convince others, street racing (that IS what you're doing) is illegal, it's dangerous, and it DOES kill people. It might just be you out there laying at the bottom of the hill dead, or it may be someone you crashed into.
Lets go back to your first post though. Lets say for instance you asked this same question and replaced cnayons with race tracks. The answer is .... nothing. Do nothing to your car and spend more time at the track with instructors. You might think that you're a mad tiite driver, but you're not. Once you realize that you'll start getting better.
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So stop arguing.
You came into the wrong place asking the wrong question. The only advice you're gonna get is to stop doing what you're doing. You can either take that advice, or ask your question somewhere where they condone that type of thing.
The bottom line is that while it might be fun for you, its not legal, its not safe for you or anyone else, and its not going to improve your driving skills. Its people with attitudes like yours that give the responsible enthusiasts a bad name.
You came into the wrong place asking the wrong question. The only advice you're gonna get is to stop doing what you're doing. You can either take that advice, or ask your question somewhere where they condone that type of thing.
The bottom line is that while it might be fun for you, its not legal, its not safe for you or anyone else, and its not going to improve your driving skills. Its people with attitudes like yours that give the responsible enthusiasts a bad name.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by nonsense »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
then leave you moron. Don't come on here asking people how to make your car faster while doing dangerous ****. You don't know what the f*ck you're talking about so STFU. The risk at the track is far less than on a canyon road, probably even your commute to work. </TD></TR></TABLE>
Are you serious? Did you even read you idiot? When you can tell me the difference between driving in the mountains in the middle of the night VS driving at the track when it doesn’t involve legality, post something intelligent. I read everything before I typed by the way.
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Here are some pointers.
I've never seen anyone driving in the opposite direction at a race track, I see it all the time on the street.
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What the expletive does this have to do with anything? Whose fault is that? If somebody up there is on the wrong side of the road, I hope I hit them.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by nonsense »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Everyone on the track is on the track for the same reasons. There are no little kids, there are no old ladys ready to pull in front of you. Sure your defense is that it's late and nobody's up there. All it takes is one person to be up there.
If you go off at the track 99 times out of 100 you're going to be fine and you're car will just get a little dusty. If you go off on a canyon road you're going to at the very least ball up your car. You could go over the edge and die.
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99/100 read that. 99/100 leaves a VERY slim chance right? 99/100 of the time I come home safe and I don’t hit anybody. 18 miles of road with NO homes in between. About a 99/100 i don't see any cars. there’re maybe about 1-2 cars up there. Now genius, if it was populated, you think I would be driving there in the first place? (and yes I can see their lights. Without lights, you can’t see the road and will drive off the cliff. I get @ least 3 seconds of time within every angle to slow down. It’s more dangerous there in the daytime than at night because of the light issue.)
I’m not afraid of going off a cliff. I live in California. Why you think they have the term “California drivers”. There’re more idiots on local streets that can kill me or me killing somebody than up there. Take a bus if you’re afraid Girl Scout. And you call me a *****… ah good stuff.
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In summation, you are a freaking idot. You're afraid to go to the track because people in slower cars will hand you your ***. Stop being a ***** and start going to the track. </TD></TR></TABLE>
In summation, I don’t have money like the people in Lake Forest to pay for track time. If I really gave a **** about going fast, I would’ve gotten something other than a Honda. Dumb expletive.
then leave you moron. Don't come on here asking people how to make your car faster while doing dangerous ****. You don't know what the f*ck you're talking about so STFU. The risk at the track is far less than on a canyon road, probably even your commute to work. </TD></TR></TABLE>
Are you serious? Did you even read you idiot? When you can tell me the difference between driving in the mountains in the middle of the night VS driving at the track when it doesn’t involve legality, post something intelligent. I read everything before I typed by the way.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by nonsense »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Here are some pointers.
I've never seen anyone driving in the opposite direction at a race track, I see it all the time on the street.
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What the expletive does this have to do with anything? Whose fault is that? If somebody up there is on the wrong side of the road, I hope I hit them.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by nonsense »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Everyone on the track is on the track for the same reasons. There are no little kids, there are no old ladys ready to pull in front of you. Sure your defense is that it's late and nobody's up there. All it takes is one person to be up there.
If you go off at the track 99 times out of 100 you're going to be fine and you're car will just get a little dusty. If you go off on a canyon road you're going to at the very least ball up your car. You could go over the edge and die.
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99/100 read that. 99/100 leaves a VERY slim chance right? 99/100 of the time I come home safe and I don’t hit anybody. 18 miles of road with NO homes in between. About a 99/100 i don't see any cars. there’re maybe about 1-2 cars up there. Now genius, if it was populated, you think I would be driving there in the first place? (and yes I can see their lights. Without lights, you can’t see the road and will drive off the cliff. I get @ least 3 seconds of time within every angle to slow down. It’s more dangerous there in the daytime than at night because of the light issue.)
I’m not afraid of going off a cliff. I live in California. Why you think they have the term “California drivers”. There’re more idiots on local streets that can kill me or me killing somebody than up there. Take a bus if you’re afraid Girl Scout. And you call me a *****… ah good stuff.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by nonsense »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
In summation, you are a freaking idot. You're afraid to go to the track because people in slower cars will hand you your ***. Stop being a ***** and start going to the track. </TD></TR></TABLE>
In summation, I don’t have money like the people in Lake Forest to pay for track time. If I really gave a **** about going fast, I would’ve gotten something other than a Honda. Dumb expletive.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by PIC Performance »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">So stop arguing.
You came into the wrong place asking the wrong question. The only advice you're gonna get is to stop doing what you're doing. You can either take that advice, or ask your question somewhere where they condone that type of thing.
The bottom line is that while it might be fun for you, its not legal, its not safe for you or anyone else, and its not going to improve your driving skills. Its people with attitudes like yours that give the responsible enthusiasts a bad name. </TD></TR></TABLE>
my attitude has nothing to do with it. i came in here asking for some advice, i get flamed because i drive in the canyons. responsible enthusiasts? please. you people don't know what the expletive responsible is.
You came into the wrong place asking the wrong question. The only advice you're gonna get is to stop doing what you're doing. You can either take that advice, or ask your question somewhere where they condone that type of thing.
The bottom line is that while it might be fun for you, its not legal, its not safe for you or anyone else, and its not going to improve your driving skills. Its people with attitudes like yours that give the responsible enthusiasts a bad name. </TD></TR></TABLE>
my attitude has nothing to do with it. i came in here asking for some advice, i get flamed because i drive in the canyons. responsible enthusiasts? please. you people don't know what the expletive responsible is.
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Re: (david)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by david »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">99/100 read that. 99/100 leaves a VERY slim chance right? 99/100 of the time I come home safe and I don’t hit anybody. 18 miles of road with NO homes in between.
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Here another reason it is irresponsiable, say you go up to your canyon and have a passanger with yout and your run out of talent, which is very likely to happen ,you hit something roll the car, your passenger is hurt and can;t get out ... car bursts into flames your buddy dies, because unlike at the track there are no saftey personal to help your sorry ***, sounds far fetched right? Nope happend last yer to some dude driving a bmw, dude rolled his car hit something and car caught fire, the driver was able to get out, but the passanger was burnt to a crisp.
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Here another reason it is irresponsiable, say you go up to your canyon and have a passanger with yout and your run out of talent, which is very likely to happen ,you hit something roll the car, your passenger is hurt and can;t get out ... car bursts into flames your buddy dies, because unlike at the track there are no saftey personal to help your sorry ***, sounds far fetched right? Nope happend last yer to some dude driving a bmw, dude rolled his car hit something and car caught fire, the driver was able to get out, but the passanger was burnt to a crisp.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Solracer »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Here another reason it is irresponsiable, say you go up to your canyon and have a passanger with yout and your run out of talent, which is very likely to happen ,you hit something roll the car, your passenger is hurt and can;t get out ... car bursts into flames your buddy dies, because unlike at the track there are no saftey personal to help your sorry ***, sounds far fetched right? Nope happend last yer to some dude driving a bmw, dude rolled his car hit something and car caught fire, the driver was able to get out, but the passanger was burnt to a crisp.</TD></TR></TABLE>
this is another reason i don't drive with anybody and i don't ride with anybody.
i'm not saying i'm a good driver, by the way. i just don't want to be accountable for a passenger if i do go off a cliff. i ALWAYS rode alone, always have.. and always will. 
Here another reason it is irresponsiable, say you go up to your canyon and have a passanger with yout and your run out of talent, which is very likely to happen ,you hit something roll the car, your passenger is hurt and can;t get out ... car bursts into flames your buddy dies, because unlike at the track there are no saftey personal to help your sorry ***, sounds far fetched right? Nope happend last yer to some dude driving a bmw, dude rolled his car hit something and car caught fire, the driver was able to get out, but the passanger was burnt to a crisp.</TD></TR></TABLE>
this is another reason i don't drive with anybody and i don't ride with anybody.
i'm not saying i'm a good driver, by the way. i just don't want to be accountable for a passenger if i do go off a cliff. i ALWAYS rode alone, always have.. and always will.
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this is another reason i don't drive with anybody and i don't ride with anybody. i'm not saying i'm a good driver, by the way. i just don't want to be accountable for a passenger if i do go off a cliff. i ALWAYS rode alone, always have.. and always will. </TD></TR></TABLE>
Well That just means when you do f-up... you will lie in pain a long time before help arrives... yep thats smart...
Hey you guys here the Mc Rib is back??
this is another reason i don't drive with anybody and i don't ride with anybody.
i'm not saying i'm a good driver, by the way. i just don't want to be accountable for a passenger if i do go off a cliff. i ALWAYS rode alone, always have.. and always will. </TD></TR></TABLE>Well That just means when you do f-up... you will lie in pain a long time before help arrives... yep thats smart...
Hey you guys here the Mc Rib is back??
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Solracer »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Well That just means when you do f-up... you will lie in pain a long time before help arrives... yep thats smart...
Hey you guys here the Mc Rib is back??</TD></TR></TABLE>
you know it... and i know it... my intentions aren't bad. these people are just the typical honda-tech guys who post to flame and not to help.
you ask for advice on a ticket, you get the you deserve it line
my vtech isn't working, you get the you spelled vtec wrong.
try it out like this: if my suspension set-up was a little better then i would have fewer chances of actually dying or hitting somebody if they were out there? but hey... he drives spirited and not on the track, lets flame him. people on here think i'm going to drive like there's 1 million $ at the end of the 18 miles if i make it there quick enough. i drive 65mph on the freeway for 2 ******* hours. i can't afford tickets. responsible. all i have to say is: you think what you do. if that doesn't make sense, you're outta your league.
Well That just means when you do f-up... you will lie in pain a long time before help arrives... yep thats smart...
Hey you guys here the Mc Rib is back??</TD></TR></TABLE>
you know it... and i know it... my intentions aren't bad. these people are just the typical honda-tech guys who post to flame and not to help.
you ask for advice on a ticket, you get the you deserve it line
my vtech isn't working, you get the you spelled vtec wrong.
try it out like this: if my suspension set-up was a little better then i would have fewer chances of actually dying or hitting somebody if they were out there? but hey... he drives spirited and not on the track, lets flame him.
people on here think i'm going to drive like there's 1 million $ at the end of the 18 miles if i make it there quick enough. i drive 65mph on the freeway for 2 ******* hours. i can't afford tickets. responsible. all i have to say is: you think what you do. if that doesn't make sense, you're outta your league.
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Re: (david)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by david »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">99/100 read that. 99/100 leaves a VERY slim chance right? 99/100 of the time I come home safe and I don’t hit anybody. 18 miles of road with NO homes in between. About a 99/100 i don't see any cars. there’re maybe about 1-2 cars up there.
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It only takes 1 mistake to ruin your life (or end it) or someone else's. Think about that. Just one expletive up. The "i've done this a hundred times" and there's gravel or an animal or another car in the road. Suddenly a $300 HPDE entry fee doesnt sound like much $$ if you end up with thousands of $$ in medical and/or legal bills.
Just because there is no one around doesnt make it ok in the least. Driving like a jackass on any public road, no matter how deserted is much higher risk than driving anywhere on the street like a sane individual. If you dont get it, well then darwin is calling for you. You're obviously concerned with speed and going fast - so get out and do some autox events, $25-$30 per event or save up (or work events for driving credit) and get some track time.
I'm not sure why I waste my time with stuff like this - people with lots of experience and have been there/done that are telling you the right thing to do, and you'd rather just be argumentative than listen.
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It only takes 1 mistake to ruin your life (or end it) or someone else's. Think about that. Just one expletive up. The "i've done this a hundred times" and there's gravel or an animal or another car in the road. Suddenly a $300 HPDE entry fee doesnt sound like much $$ if you end up with thousands of $$ in medical and/or legal bills.
Just because there is no one around doesnt make it ok in the least. Driving like a jackass on any public road, no matter how deserted is much higher risk than driving anywhere on the street like a sane individual. If you dont get it, well then darwin is calling for you. You're obviously concerned with speed and going fast - so get out and do some autox events, $25-$30 per event or save up (or work events for driving credit) and get some track time.
I'm not sure why I waste my time with stuff like this - people with lots of experience and have been there/done that are telling you the right thing to do, and you'd rather just be argumentative than listen.