Should i buy the Dynasty 200 Dx or save myself some money and buy the Synchrowave 180 Sd. Im a Miller man so it has to be either of these. If anyone has the welders please post what you think about them

Thanks,
Dave

 

what do you intend to use it with? i have the miller 180sd and it is more than able for the stuff i'm doing: manifolds, downpipes, intercooler endtanks, intake manifolds... that sorta thing. keep in mind you don't get any gear with the 200dx. if i'd had the money i'd go with the 200dx and a torch cooler kit.

 

i have a 180 and love it

 

i have a lincoln precision tig 185.

i know its not a miller, but it rips id consider it

although, i also have a syncrowave 300 ive been using for awhile now.

its a beast

 

I am most likely going to be getting the Dynasty. From the research I have done, this welder seems to be the cream of the crop. It might be a little more expensive, but just for the fact that it can plug into a standard 120V outlet, and only weighs 45lbs is more than enough to convince me.

 

I say take the 200DX, the features it offers are so worth it! It has built in pulse with frequency control.. which makes welding aluminum a lot easier and nicer.

 

whats the thickest aluminum you can weld with the Synchrowave 180 sd. and is gthe a noticable difference in weld quality between the Dynasty 200 dx and the Synchrowave 180 sd.

 

oh and whats your opinions on the best bang for the buck

 

I went with the 200DX because aluminum is my metal of choice. That and it's lighter which I take advantage of all the time.

 

I also kinda think it depends on what you want to do with the welder. If your buying it for a shop, and most likely won't be moving it evar...the syncro 180 might suffice. However, if you ever wanted to plug into a standard outlet, or take it to a buddies house to do some work then the Dynasty is the only choice.

 

what do you guys think about the synchrowave 250 compared to the 200dx. I mean the cost is simular if you dont get the water cooler. Just wondering i plan on gettin one soon

 

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i know its not a miller, but it rips id consider it

although, i also have a syncrowave 300 ive been using for awhile now.

its a beast</TD></TR></TABLE>

does anyone see something wrong with this post.....

why praise a Lincoln when you have a syncrowave 300.....I would have chucked the Lincoln along time ago.

 

oh and whats your opinions on the best bang for the buck

 

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Depends on what your looking for. If you want a mobile welder, the syncro won't be for you, even if it costs less.

 

i dont need it to be mobil. its just for my garage, so i like the syncrowave 180 sd and the syncrowave 250 dx. its such a hard *** decision!!!!! do i bite the bullet and get me the better one or what.....

 

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Yea i agree 100% with you

 

I would do the 180sd then...

 

Final Question. what are the capabilites of the 180 sd as far as aluminum? Does it make neat looking beads, and what is the thickest/ thinnest welding range on aluminum. I might weld 3/16" max but mostly 1/8". This is my final question before buying this sucker.

Dave

 

Dave - a rule of thumb with 6061 aluminum is you need 1 amp for every thousandth of material. So for 1/8" (.125) you need 125 amps. However, this is for max penetration. I weld 1/8" 6061 at 85 amps with full penetration. I have my balance set of 60 and frequency set on 120 on my Dynasty.

The difference between the Dynasty and the SD is that the Dynasty will give you 20 more amps and control over the shape of the wave. The shape of the wave determines the shape of your weld. The SD is fixed on one common balance and frequency setting. This is OK, but if you are going to get serious with aluminum you will apreciate the control that the dynasty has.

I did some frequency and balance tests with my Dynasty one day. Using the balance and frequcny controls and staying at one amperage I can make a 1/2" wide and overpenetrated weld, and then make a 1/8" wide bead on top the surface with little penetration just by modding my settings. I will post pics of these tests when I get a chance.

I went with the Dynasty over the SD because I wanted the smaller machine, 20 more amps, and control over aluminum. Aluminum is my metal of choice. If you're just going to be making dowpipes and exhaust manifolds and stuff the SD is perfect. Don't limit yourself though... think of all the $$ you'll be making doing sidejobs for people

Evan

 

Thanks Evan for the reply, im looking for any imformation i can get from owners of these machines! im almost thinking of really biting the bullet and getting the Syncrowave 250 dx. If not im going to go with the dynasty. Neither will dissapoint me im sure. Any other comments? im all ears.

Thanks Dave

 

How about you get a Thermal Arc 185TSW and same some money. The unit is very nice and has all the features of a Dynasty while costing a $1000 less.

http://www.thermadyne.com/news...d=220

John

 

But the thermal arc can't be plugged into a standard household outlet.

 

Hi guys, new member status, but been browsing for over a year...


For someone starting out, and being their first tig machine I highly recommend the syncrowave 180. Its a very simple machine with easy to identify controls and for someone who wants it just for IC pipes, manifolds and such it is more than willing to do the work under its duty cycle.

I personally own a sync 180, and I mostly weld stainless in the range of 16 gauge to 1/8 and it works excellent.

For aluminum, you have a high frequency square wave balance control -not as fancy as the pulser option and advanced squarewave as the dynasty but it is less confusing and still gets the job done.

Also, as someone else noted, the syncrowave comes pretty much ready to run with a aircooled torch, foot pedal, ground clamp and regulator so all you need is a bottle, filler rods and maybe some assortment of tungstens and the appropriate collet and collet bodies.

The dynasty may be the superior machine, but since it has a bigger price tag, and doesnt come with the running gear, I say save your money and go with the sync 180 you could allways upgrade later.

 

The Dynasty doesn't need any running gear because it's light and designed to be sat on a table, not on the floor. It can be bought with the same contractor pack as the 180 which includes all the acessories.

IMO you really can't go wrong. There are very few things that you won't be able to do with one that you would be able to do with the other. I personally got the Dybasty because I like to get the next higher model on stuff. You can't go wrong with the 180.

I wouldn't go 250SD though - do you really need all that power?

Evan

 

My bad, I thought that the dynasty didnt come with the regulator, foot pedal, ect.

the syncrowave doesnt come with the running gear (cart, bottle holder) as well, though it can be purchased extra or you have to get the syncrowave 180 SD runner package.

I just went out and spent 15 bux on casters and now it can roll around anywhere, allthough I have to make a small platform for my bottle!