I AM HAVING A PROBLEM DECIDING ON THE H22 OR GSR ENGINES I HAVE IN MY GARAGE.WHICH WOULD BE BETTER TO BUILD FOR BOOST.I DONT SEE MANY PEOPLE USING THE H MOTORS.I HAVE HAS BOTH LS AND GSR TURBO SETUPS IN MY CAR.NOT MUCH EXPERIENCE WITH THE H THOUGH.ANY ADVICE WOULD BE APPRECIATED.THANKS!!

 

I recommend the B, the sky is the limit on finding readily available parts .. when i had the H series.. finding replacement parts was not as easy I.E tranny

 

The cost to do up an H is more expensive than a B in general. Parts such as
intake manifold choices are limited and making it all work requires more finesse than a B. Both powerplants make incredible power but the H is more limited on high rpm than the B. If you are already setup for a B then stick with it.

The H is a great motor for torque but does have its limitations. I have one of the fastest H motor SFWD cars out there and have been very lucky with reliability. Engine assembly is key to longevity in either case.

Good Luck
Mike Ko

 

I agree with most of what your saying... But if you really know what your doing its actually very easy to rev a H series motor to 9-10 grand safely and reliably. (especially with Boost)

 

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i agree ......what i would do is h motor , with b series trans sick setup heavy in the front and all torque

 

...go with the b-series, more boost friendly, and parts
readily available and cheaper.

 

h with a b tranny off the top of my head i can't think of any parts that the b has that the h doesnt.

 

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i have to agree

 

i would stick with a b series for boost... although i could be wrong... i have read numerous threads saying that h series just dont hold up well enough under boost... my 2 cents

 

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Well his post mentions building it for boost, so the ringlands that are a problem stock on the H-series won't be once built properly. If I were you I'd go with the H, but then again I have a D-series so I might just have *****/displacement envy.

 

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WTF is ***** dispacement envy?

 

b-series all the way

 

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Well his post mentions building it for boost, so the ringlands that are a problem stock on the H-series won't be once built properly. If I were you I'd go with the H, but then again I have a D-series so I might just have *****/displacement envy. </TD></TR></TABLE>


true, but i havent seen alot of h series with boost lasting too long... its not rare but i think b series has way more to offer... as in finidng parts, upgrades, little cheaper to probably.

 

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true, but i havent seen alot of h series with boost lasting too long... its not rare but i think b series has way more to offer... as in finidng parts, upgrades, little cheaper to probably. </TD></TR></TABLE>

uhh.. who have u seen with a built h-series have alot of problems? i dont recall steph p. having too many problems with his h-series . Hell i have the ugly redheaded step child h23 motor and i haven' had any real problems finding parts for my car. the same companies that make stuff for b-series, make it for h-series with the exception of the jg intake mani.

 

I've had both setups by experience. and the h series had more power, but reliablity was a problem mainly cause of the axles. I would recommend the b series easily over the h. Turbo'd both engines make the power so, id go by reliability

 

i'm just curious. but what problems did u have with axels? could this have been caused by the bad angle associated with a lot of the swaped h22's in hatches?

 

I tell everyone if I had it to do all over I would have gone b series. You can find used/discounted parts all over the place. Sleeving is not a must! You save some weight, and simple set-ups have been proven time and time again. Not to mention replacement parts are a dime a dozen, and installation is much cheaper and easier.


Darkness

 

Here is what I would do if I couldn't decide on either engine.... I would buy the Dart tall deck block and make a 2.2 liter monster out of a b- series casted block.... Then you have the b series hydro transmission with a big displacment motor.... (without having to do the b series trans adapter on the h22)... That would be sick....

 

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uhh.. who have u seen with a built h-series have alot of problems? i dont recall steph p. having too many problems with his h-series . Hell i have the ugly redheaded step child h23 motor and i haven' had any real problems finding parts for my car. the same companies that make stuff for b-series, make it for h-series with the exception of the jg intake mani.</TD></TR></TABLE>

well i guess what i meant by cheaper parts is that u can always find deals on b series parts.. this is just my opionion as i have never dealt with an h series with boost. im a b series guy, and its me preference to stick with b since its just more common... to be different, thats your choice, and thats all good... im always glad to see someone making crazy power on any kind of motor really.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by jpenman50 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Here is what I would do if I couldn't decide on either engine.... I would buy the Dart tall deck block and make a 2.2 liter monster out of a b- series casted block.... Then you have the b series hydro transmission with a big displacment motor.... (without having to do the b series trans adapter on the h22)... That would be sick....</TD></TR></TABLE>

that would be sick, do it, do it

 

new h-series parts are just as easy to come by as b-series parts. the same companies that make parts for b-series make them for h-series like i said earlier.

 

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i run hasport mounts in 98 H22 hatch. axle angles are too good. snapped 3 axles, and a motor mount in 12 months. ended up redesigning the chaissis brackets and moved the engine back another 1", and shimmed the rear mount about .5". seems to have cured my problems... but alot of work to get there. the EG h22 hatches do not seem to have my problem.

as far as your build goes. standard B18 sleeves are good to what about the 400-500 WHP range? H22s need resleeved right from the word go cuz of the FRM sleeves.

if your power goals are 400-500 WHP the B18 is by far cheaper and u have a linkage style tranny. The only real difference in the H22 turbo build is first of all its going to be alot more money swapping it in, and lots more money building. but the end result is the the H22 makes significantly more torque with the same build.

 

i was having the same problem with deciding b or h to go for my ek9 99 hb. it's been a year that i been deciding. after finding out all the stuff on here i think i made up my mind for my b20 v-tec. i also have a question i have a 98 itr usdm ecu will that plug into my 99 ek??

 

The problems i had with the axles were that the would get worn really easily, and start to click under turning. i also had driveshaft shop axles stage 3's. Anyways its a lot less hassle with the b series

 

most people with the h22 go with an n/a set up....you have to sleeve the block in order to boost it safely.

If you want another option try the h23 and boost it

if you are set on turbo i would say the b-series would make life easier....all depends on how much time and money you want to invest