i am thinking o getting Tein Flex Buddy Club N+ or Buddy Clb racing spec according to JHPUSA.com Tein Flex-$1,316 Buddy Club N+-$850 Buddy Club Racing Spec-$1,170 i know that the tein and N+ come with upper pilow ball mounts but do the racing spec come with them from this site. on passwordjdm.com they say its $1,519 with upper pillowbal mounts.

i was wondering if anyone oredered Racing Spec from JHPUSA.com if they come with upper pillowbal mounts


also if any of you have these suspentions on an eg civic i want your
feedbaclk about them

im probably going to go with the N+ cause of the price unless i hear a bunch of negative feedback


thanks

 

Do you know why you are looking for pillowball mounts? You wont' be needing them on your car, and I'm betting you won't be getting them either (implied by "car-specific" in the descriptions).

 

your going to spend alot of money on suspension JUST for the name. the performance of those units are NOT UP TO PAR for there costs

 

i looked into the same before deciding on Koni/GC. I've seen the BC racing-spec for $999 without the pillow-ball mounts and the N-spec for $801 without the pillow-ball mounts. The Tein were $1259.

Buddy club has crap spring rates, the racing spec is front 12K/8K rear, the N-spec is front 12K/6K rear which will not help understeer

$801 - BC N-spec
http://www.hopupracing.com/suspension8.html

$1259 - TEIN flex http://www.modacar.com/product...DACOI/

$999 - BC racing-spec
http://www.tornactive.com/pd_buddyclub_racing.cfm

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by slammed_93_hatch &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">your going to spend alot of money on suspension JUST for the name. the performance of those units are NOT UP TO PAR for there costs</TD></TR></TABLE>


you dont think Buddy Club N+ are worth 850?

 

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you dont think Buddy Club N+ are worth 850?</TD></TR></TABLE>

i have never seen anything super impressive come from them, so you could that

 

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i have never seen anything super impressive come from them, so you could that</TD></TR></TABLE>


what are you running for suspention that is so great???!!!?!??!!?

i dont want a super impressive susupention i want sometyhing that just wont throw me around in my sat when i hit a bump

 

You should ask yourself what you think makes a coilover good/great/bad. If you know what to look for, then the question of "what to choose" becomes easier to answer.

 

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what are you running for suspention that is so great???!!!?!??!!?

i dont want a super impressive susupention i want sometyhing that just wont throw me around in my sat when i hit a bump</TD></TR></TABLE>

im running race valved koni's and ground control coil overs with my pick of spring rates. (the only honda i own is my race car)

You would probably be perfect comfertable with some illiminas, koni yellows, KYB AGX's, and some springs or GC coil overs. I highly doubt you need/want more then that.

with those brands you listed your paying for the name and bling, not preformance.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by PIC Performance &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">You should ask yourself what you think makes a coilover good/great/bad. If you know what to look for, then the question of "what to choose" becomes easier to answer.</TD></TR></TABLE>

i belevi what make a coilover good is adjustable damping and plenty of ride hright adjustability...something that when you hit a bum you dont get tossed around

i just wanted a full coilover setup not getting shocks and struts then the coillovers

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im running race valved koni's and ground control coil overs with my pick of spring rates. (the only honda i own is my race car)

You would probably be perfect comfertable with some illiminas, koni yellows, KYB AGX's, and some springs or GC coil overs. I highly doubt you need/want more then that.

with those brands you listed your paying for the name and bling, not preformance.</TD></TR></TABLE>

i was going to go with KYB AGX shocks with skunk2 coilovers then someone told me to just get a "real" coilover setup(i.e teins or buddy clubs)

so getting budy club n+ for 850 isent better then going with getting struts and springs/coilovers seperate for about the same price

 

if your just looking for a nice ride suspension Tokico Illuminas/H&R sports (1.75F/1.5R) will be comfortable, provide good handling and absorb bumps well. From what you said you want in a suspension, the only reason i could see spending the cash on a coil-over would be height adjustment but you didn't say how low you want to go.

$801 buddy club n-spec from link i posted above. Coilovers of the rates the buddy club or omni has will provide a stiffer ride.

another option you could consider is Koni or Tokico with ground-control standard rates or 300F/200R spring rates. Ground-control is $299 for their standard kit and $339 lets you custom pick rates. $460 shipped for Koni yellows off here means for $760-$790 gets you ground-control/Koni yellows with rates you pick or let ground-control pick em based on your driving. this will still give you custom height adjustment but also a quality product with easy upgrades for future use.

just something to consider.

as for "real" coilovers, search for koni yellow or ground-control and look at all the feedback and praise...it would beat the crap out of buddy club as you can pick custom rates for ground-control and still cost less then buddy clubs horrible 12K/6K rates which translated into lb per inch (K x 56.25) is 675 front and 337 rear


Modified by alwaysoverkill at 5:06 PM 11/3/2005

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 2DoorBandit &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i belevi what make a coilover good is adjustable damping and plenty of ride hright adjustability...something that when you hit a bum you dont get tossed around</TD></TR></TABLE>
While adjustable damping is a nice option to have if is done well, IMO it does not make or break a coilover. What it does do is add complexity to the coilover, and in the cases where adjustable damping is not needed (most cases), its an unnecessary complication as well. If the damping is done well on a fixed damping coilover, then one level is all that most people will need.
Height adjustability is something along the same lines (but to a lesser degree); some have gotten along just fine without height adjustability. Some of the best coilovers in the world do not utilize the independently adjustable lower mount (which is what is responsible for the coilovers with the largest ranges of effective height adjustability). Again, like the adjustable damping, if a fixed-height damper has its components (valving, spring rate, shock travel) well sorted, then not much height adjustment is needed beyond the amount that can be effectively achieved by using the spring perch.
Aftermarket coilovers are almost always going to give you a stiffer ride, and that will include more bumping from bumps and other disturbances in the road. There is a difference between acceptable and unacceptable amounts of this harshness but for the most part its subjective; diff people can take diff amounts of harshness. So too-stiff for some might be not stiff enough for others. IMO this is one of the toughest parts of choosing a coilover because everyone's opinion can be so different.

 

Just a few things I'll throw out here. I have Buddy Club RSDs, and like them very much. I haven't tried the Koni/GC alternative, so I can't compare them, but I've been told by a few people who've driven both that they prefer the Koni/GC. The spring rates are less than desirable (I have 10K/7K, which is different from what's offered now, but still not ideal), but unless you're a hardcore track junky, it probably won't matter too much. The N+ sounded decent for the price, but those rates are terrible. I can't imagine why BC would set them up like that, but whatever.

A lot of this depends on what you're using the car for. Street? Track? Strip? If primarily street, skip the RSDs, as the shock valving is pretty stiff. Something else to consider for the above-mentioned stuff, the Illuminas are not rebuildable. They're also fairly cheap though, so that might not matter to you.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by alwaysoverkill &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">if your just looking for a nice ride suspension Tokico Illuminas/H&R sports (1.75F/1.5R) will be comfortable, provide good handling and absorb bumps well. From what you said you want in a suspension, the only reason i could see spending the cash on a coil-over would be height adjustment but you didn't say how low you want to go.


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i want to lower my car so that there is no wheel gap

what do u guys think about skunk2's spring rates on there coilovers with KYB agx Shocks


I want something good for everyday driveability and eventually will see some time
on the track (i.e drag strip and road raceing)

THESE GROUND CONTROLS with either Koni yellows or KYB AGX shocks
http://www.ground-control-stor...CA=55


Koni yellow from neuspeeds site or ground controls site or are they the same??




Modified by 2DoorBandit at 1:16 PM 11/4/2005

 

don't buy the standard kit, spend the extra $40 and get spring rates you want for your setup.

its all a budget thing, for $800 you can get Koni Yellows and ground-control and be done with it. or for $801 you can get buddy Club N-spec, but i'd go Koni/GC cause the N-spec has *** rates.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by alwaysoverkill &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">don't buy the standard kit, spend the extra $40 and get spring rates you want for your setup.

its all a budget thing, for $800 you can get Koni Yellows and ground-control and be done with it. or for $801 you can get buddy Club N-spec, but i'd go Koni/GC cause the N-spec has *** rates.</TD></TR></TABLE>


what rates do you recomend for good daily driving?
and which kit should i get then can you post the link of the kit from the ground control site(gorund control store link below)

GROUND CONTROL COILOVER WEBSITE:which kit should i get
http://www.ground-control-stor...CA=55

i have a 93 hond civic with stock d16z6 motor
Can you look at the koni yellows off neuspped and ground controls sie and tell me if theres a difference

 

ground-control under honda/acura and its the road race ones that are $339 says ROAD RACE.

for rates, what are you going to be doing with the car, just driving on street and thats it, do you want more nuetral handling? stiffer ride or softer ride? stock rates are 380/280 so if its just to lower and use for increase handling that may work, but i'd use rates you want for your set-up and goals. if its just for lowering 380/280 may be fine or you may even want softer if your roads suck bad. ask other people what rates based on what you want. For example i want a better handling less oversteering ride so i went 380F/430R with a 22mm rear sway bar.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">For example i want a better handling less oversteering ride so i went 380F/430R with a 22mm rear sway bar.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Think you meant understeer?

 

when you stiffen the rear suspension like that, how does it effect the car's behavior in the rain or in low traction conditions? would it be more difficult to handle due to its oversteering character?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by speedball3 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">when you stiffen the rear suspension like that, how does it effect the car's behavior in the rain or in low traction conditions? would it be more difficult to handle due to its oversteering character?</TD></TR></TABLE>

Only if you drive like an asshat in those conditions.

 

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Think you meant understeer?</TD></TR></TABLE>

]doh, yup less understeering ride

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by alwaysoverkill &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">ground-control under honda/acura and its the road race ones that are $339 says ROAD RACE.

for rates, what are you going to be doing with the car, just driving on street and thats it, do you want more nuetral handling? stiffer ride or softer ride? stock rates are 380/280 so if its just to lower and use for increase handling that may work, but i'd use rates you want for your set-up and goals. if its just for lowering 380/280 may be fine or you may even want softer if your roads suck bad. ask other people what rates based on what you want. For example i want a better handling less oversteering ride so i went 380F/430R with a 22mm rear sway bar.</TD></TR></TABLE>

how is your everyday driving condition with those rates?

i want something to get rid of wheel hop and to have a slight oversteer and something good for drag raceing

im going to get a Blox rear sway bar if i get that with stock rates will cause an over steer effect? of should i go with stiffer rates in the back

 

380/430 is nothing too harsh. I think a lot of you guys aren't understanding the idea of "compromise." There is no perfect suspension that handles fantastically, is comfy, and does everything else you need it to. Suspensions and/or spring rates that are best for roadracing or drag racing will feel like poop on the street. Likewise, comfortable softer springs that are more suited to street driving will leave a lot to be desired on the track or strip. You have to decide what you're willing to compromise, comfort or performance.

 

where do i get koni shocks from???!!!???!!! and get the yellow ones right?


i know that neuspped's site has them
ground controls site has them
and Koni-na has them but that site confused me
http://www.koni-na.com/display.cfm

i think the KONI Special/Sports are the ones someone check it out please

 

there are a few sponsors on this board selling them for $460-$465 shipped. i just bought mine from nolimitmotosport.com

look in the suspension marketplace and yup, you want the yellows