I have a dilemma....... I love NA but I like Boost too..... right now i have the choice of this..... Cybernation Stage II complete kit ~OR~ Toda Engine Kit , Toda ITB's and Toda High Comp Pistons. I dont know what i should do and im kinda torn. On one end I really want to go NA just because everyone goes turbo and there is so much more prestige in a fast all motor car....... on the other hand I have everyone and there grandmother telling me i will never get the same performance out or NA than i would with Boosting it and i dont want to feel like i wasted my money.... PLEASE HELP GUYS

 

Expect to work on a boosted car fixing stuff alot more than with na. But boost is more power right away.

 

common guys i need your feedback

 

Well personally I had the same decision to make. But overall for what you get boost looks a lot more impressive.

Toda kit is badass for a N/A kit but its a lot of money. Now I wouldn't go with cybernation kit either I persoally don't like them very much and am really agaisnt there gaurdian system it is pretty wack. If I were you I would go boost pick up a full race kit run 10lbs and you will be in 12's easy it will be pretty hard to grab traction though. Now if you don't want to spend the money on the full race kit find a tuner shop that will custom make you a kit. My buddie that owns a shop is doing my kit fully custom making a manifold and downpipe from scratch. He has done it a few times. He has a ep3 stock motor running 12's consistently with a k20a3. So Turbo'ing the K series is the way to go I think. They are fairly reliable too long as you tune it properly and get the right parts from the get go. I would either go with a K pro ecu or like me S AVFC from apex because i cant afford K pro at the moment. If you have any questions just PM. I have done alot of research on the subject lately.

 

It all depends on what you are doing with the car. Is this for an a2? Assuming it's for an a2 and money isnt any object, which it sounds like it's not, I would for sure go NA. Get the Toda upgrades with some good tuning and lay down some serious power. I would think the pistons, ITB's, header, exhuast and k-pro would have you at 260-70 whp. That is some pretty nice power for a DD. Plus you dont have to worry as much about blowing your engine up if its well built and put together.

 

everyone is so into that stupid toda package...what u fail to realize is you can make a lot more power with other cams.


Search on club rsx at dyno plots
IPS k2's make more and a whole bunch of others

 

Wow, lots of great responses. IPS K2's own all, period. As stated earlier go to CRSX and do a search.

Also, Full Race kills CN in every way shape and form. I would never purchase the CN kit. The quality is really bad. Cracked manifolds, cheap wastegates creeping, and rusty U-Bends to name a few.

Heres my take on the situation. This setup is going to get you into the low to mid 13's on Drag Radials:

IPS K2's w/ Eibach EVS
Hondata K-Pro
CAI/RH/2.5 exhaust
Tuned

Now you are not going to get much further than that unless you resort to building the bottom end. Now for the cost of tearing your engine down, you mine as well just boost. The gains will be far better and cheaper when you get to that point.

Now the turbo setup. Here is what I would look at:

Full Race, Custom Kit (one fab manifold), or SCI Turbo Kit. (scimotorsports.com)
Hondata K-Pro
3" Exhaust
Eagle or Cunningham Rods/ Wiseco 9:1 pistons
Darton Sleeves
Fuel Pump and Fuel Pressure Regulator w/ return line

Now, that setup will cost a little more but the gains will be tremendous compared to NA. With what I just mentioned you can easily break 500hp depending on your turbo choice. Low 11's and 10's are possible.

Or you could purchase the Greddy Turbo kit, change the oil lines, stay stock internals and make more power than NA for cheaper. And not to mention run 12's on Drag Radials pretty easily.

So if you want 13's for cheaper, go NA. If you have any doubts that you would want more power go turbo. You won't regret it.

 

couldn't have said it any better myself

 

Don't buy greedy it will light your car on fire literally.

 

Thats why I said change the oil lines. All you have to do is purchase 90 stainless steal oil lines and the kit is excellent. The quality is great and fitment is almost perfect. Although I would ditch e manage and go straight for K Pro.

 

I also heard that the manifold is set up so that the turbo sits too close to the firewall then when it get all super hot, it light the firewall liner thing on fire.

 

boosting is a topic that i've been looking into also, any opinions on revhard kits and the tuning involved in making power out of it?

 

Personally I am also not a big fan of rev hard.
I really like the sci kit and full race kit or just go custom kit. If you get the proper tuning done you will put down some down some REALLY good number. I am going to run a GT3071R ball bearing turbo and 750cc injectors tuned with a S AFC 2

 

K-Pro, tune with K-Pro!!! By far the best engine management for the K-Series. S-AFC 2 does not have half the features that K-Pro has. Can't adjust ignition, cam angles, boost by gear, and the list goes on.

But I would agree that SCI, Full Race, and Greddy with a little tweaking are the best kits out there.

 

i appreciate the feedback fella's

 

Yea I definatley say go K pro if you can.

 

Go K-Pro??? Id be more than happy to...... IF I COULD COME UP WITH THE MONEY.I know its the best way. But once again guys thanks for the responses.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by NJslvrtypes &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Wow, lots of great responses. IPS K2's own all, period. As stated earlier go to CRSX and do a search.

Also, Full Race kills CN in every way shape and form. I would never purchase the CN kit. The quality is really bad. Cracked manifolds, cheap wastegates creeping, and rusty U-Bends to name a few.

Heres my take on the situation. This setup is going to get you into the low to mid 13's on Drag Radials:

IPS K2's w/ Eibach EVS
Hondata K-Pro
CAI/RH/2.5 exhaust
Tuned

Now you are not going to get much further than that unless you resort to building the bottom end. Now for the cost of tearing your engine down, you mine as well just boost. The gains will be far better and cheaper when you get to that point.

Now the turbo setup. Here is what I would look at:

Full Race, Custom Kit (one fab manifold), or SCI Turbo Kit. (scimotorsports.com)
Hondata K-Pro
3" Exhaust
Eagle or Cunningham Rods/ Wiseco 9:1 pistons
Darton Sleeves
Fuel Pump and Fuel Pressure Regulator w/ return line

Now, that setup will cost a little more but the gains will be tremendous compared to NA. With what I just mentioned you can easily break 500hp depending on your turbo choice. Low 11's and 10's are possible.

Or you could purchase the Greddy Turbo kit, change the oil lines, stay stock internals and make more power than NA for cheaper. And not to mention run 12's on Drag Radials pretty easily.

So if you want 13's for cheaper, go NA. If you have any doubts that you would want more power go turbo. You won't regret it.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I second all of this. His mentioned NA setup with the IPS cams is unbeatable. The full-race setup is very, very reliable and makes fabulous gains. The greddy turbo kit is probably the most cost effective choice.

 

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The IPS cams got a great write up in the new Honda Tuning. I didnt realize they were such a new company.

 

I'd be after that TODA kit like crazy day and night, only if they made one for my EP3..

So I'd say go with the TODA kit..

Turbo would be really fun to have but that's about it...

 

IPS dynos higher than Toda N2's over and over. Plus the K2's have been proven 300hp capable. Lastly, Ron is the man. He will help you with whatever you need. Provide insight, locate shops, accomodate payment, and hook you up with excellent parts.

Not saying Toda is a bad choice but I am partial to Ron because he has helped me greatly in the past. I look forward to running his Turbo Cams when I get around to building the top end.

Plus his parts are cheaper because your not paying for the Toda name.

 

How about this -- where do you plan to be driving fast? Drag, circuit,...?

Since you have the cash to do either boost or a nice all-motor upgrade, maybe the intended use should be more of a determining factor...

 

Boosted is always more fun.