Keep the ITR and if you have the money get the si.

 

let's keep in mind that the new si chassis SUCKS POO

 

yeh.....keep ITR for sure, cuz 06 SI uglzzzzzzzzzz

 

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based on what exactly?

 

i like the 05-06 type S alot more than the Si. keep the itr tho..

 

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I dont know about that, as I havent driven a new si yet, but that is funny.

I would stick with the R unless I was wanting something more refined. You know, more sound insulation and a less firm ride. However, for driving what is better than an R. If I had one with a lot of miles I would be thinking K series swap and then drive it until that engine wore out. Unless Honda brings over some more we will never have access to a car like that.

 

the type r is going to be worth a lot more, but then again some people want these type R's. so i think you should go for the si

 

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Hmmm.

Got a couple of questions for you.

What do you currently do with your DC2 ITR? Is it a daily driver? A track car? A daily driver you sometimes track?

What kind of performance are you afraid you might lose with the FG2 Si?

 

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OK, here's the problem: You're just never going to get another double wishbone small car from Honda because of the need to keep the car cheap for the buyer and the need to achieve five star crash ratings with the small cars.

You'd need a much bigger and more expensive car to be worth having double wishbones. CL7/CL9 at a minimum, or maybe USDM Accord sized vehicles.

That's not a Civic if you do that.

Moreover, Honda (and Acura) listened carefully to what people were saying about what was wrong with the McPherson FF design that Honda was using.

They moved the tie rod off the connection on the strut, and they lowered the steering rack almost to the ground. They even increased caster so much that the new FG2 probably has a theoretical, overall handling advantage over the DC2 double wishbone design.

They did the best they could, and to throw a badly considered "it sucks" comment at it is probably just unfair.

To be honest, the overwhelming majority of buyers are just never even going to have their cars in the situations that caused the feeling that the McPherson design was inferior, and they did the best they could addressing the concerns of the very small minority who <u>do</u> frequently track their Hondas and Acuras.

 

I use my ITR as a daily driver. I have always wanted to track the car but due to extremely limited financial issues I can not. The only reason i'm looking at the new Si is that I am still paying a lot for my ITR currently and financially selling my ITR and buying the Si would work for me (warranty, new car, new paint, less headache if something breaks because it is under warranty etc...) If Honda would just bring back the DC5R I would buy it in a heartbeat but that will take a miracle to get that to happen. Maybe I will just buy the Si and if Honda does bring back the Type R then i'll just sell the Si and buy that one instead. I know Acura will be redesiging the RSX for 07 but who knows what that will look like. I'm still confused but I do appreciate everyone's input on this.

 

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I think that probably settles it right there. The new FG2 Si is simply going to be a nicer driving car, returning decent fuel mileage while also providing a lot of grins per mile, and the latest VTEC designs will make the motor seem surprisingly tractable to you.

The only thing I do not like is the Star Trek gauge cluster, but I guess that's progress, I guess it makes sense, and I guess I'd get used to it.

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The suspension design of the FG2 (most racers would say) is clearly superior to that of the DC5. They really listened carefully and did something about it.

It's still a surprise to me why they listened so well. The first sign they were listening was the slight redesign of the 2005 DC5 suspension to make it handle bumps on the track a little better.

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Well, that's a tough one. I think we can safely bet that the perceived excellence of the FG2 chassis is a sign that the redesigned RSX (if they call it that, and if it really happens) is going to be based on the new FG2 chassis.

Another Acura Type R built on a new platform that's based on what we see of the FG2 is likely to cost quite a bit more than the FG2 Civic Si. It might even cost more than the USDM TSX.

 

remember the new Si is the first car to be released to the US with an LSD since the ITR, I think that says a lot...

and like GK said the new SI is still steps ahead of the RSX, personally I wouldn't be surprised if they just discontinued the RSX so the new SI would have no competition from its sister company. I heard that Acura was going to concentrate on the bigger nicer more luxurious cars and let Honda take back the sport compact market...

 

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But...I also heard that there is a working model of an FG2-based RSX replacement and a working model of a CL7-based RSX replacement!

 

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But...I also heard that there is a working model of an FG2-based RSX replacement and a working model of a CL7-based RSX replacement!

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CL7 is the TSX chassis correct? that wouldn't surprise me... a redesigned RSX on the new civic chassis would. i just don't see them offering two cars at the higher dollar range that are going to compete against each other, especially when they have done such a good job with the new civic!

and when all the other competition is FI?

 

I would rather get the new Si over the ITR because with the ITR you are worried all the time of someone jacking it from you.

 

I was never that paranoid about someone jacking my ITR because of the area that I live in. There is not a high theft rate for imports around here. George I was hoping that you would give me some good information about the new Si and you sir have answered the questions that I was looking for. Looks like i'm leaning even more toward the new Si. I just can't see how the new Si could be a lot worse than my ITR becuase of all the technological advancements that have been made with the new K series motors. I also know that the K series reacts better to aftermarket parts than the B series motors.

 

ITR

 

for daily driver, id say the new civic si due to better gas milage and STUFF LIKE THAT..

well i looove the ITR and am not too fond of the new si yet, but im sure ill grow into it. i also think it depends on how you see cars in general, i wouldnt get the new si at all especially because there are going to be ALOT of them(or so i think)..i think there are gonna be too many, so i cant really be unique.. and every time i want to, 100 people are going to be doing the same thing.

if you dont care about that stuff.. then go for it kuz the si is a nice car..

but if you like being rare n such.. then itr is just too cool.

but i dont know.. depends on you..

 

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I think you're right that it's the first <u>little</u> car since the DC2 ITR to come stock with a Torsen axle installed.

However, the current USDM Acura TL 6 speed and the USDM Acura RL (Legend) both have Torsen axles installed at the factory.