I am starting to get my things ready for my f22 400+whp goal. I was looking and found these. Would you guys trust them i don;t want them yo crack.

http://www.f22parts.com/item_sleeves.htm

 

nope i wouldn't. notice it said " same design as iron" hint hint. thats like saying dc style when the header is a knock off. i would go darton or something equal. it think benson does good blocks and golden eagle does good work. i know there was some more but this two stick out like a sore thumb.

 

i wouldn't trust anyoen who has to jack their pictures of a sleeve from darton, i mean hell atleast photoshop out the darton logo off the sleeve

 

maybe they are darton sleeves that he's selling. price seems about right, you still need to have all the machine work done.

 

darton doesnt use cast iron sleeves, and i dont see why he wouldn't call them darton sleeves instead of, similar to design of other popluar companies

 

that was my point. why state "like other companies". darton has sleeves on lock. they don't have to say "like other companies". i wouldn't get them. price means nothing. get a known brand that others can verify for.


Modified by flight50 at 10:35 PM 10/27/2005

 

Doesn't speak proper english either. I've always been taught to be wary of people who try to sell you something with a bad vocabulary.

 

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it's foreign, import must be good..jdm kinda good

if you still have to guess when spending 700+ cash, why bother with the mystery equipment?

 

400whp with an f22..?..its possible but why?
save yourself lots of time and money and spend 2k and get an h22 swap. unless you are trying to "show people what f series is all about" then I would buy an H swap.

 

Seriously man, what are you talking about? I too have an H22 in my 90 Accord but have to say the F is much more boost friendly. Let's have a competition. I will take a stock F22 and a stock H22 and boost them both until they start making weird noises and smoking. Can anyone guess which will self destruct first?

 

nope

 

ringlands will break on bith sets of pistons at the same time.

The reason the f series is boost friendly is becuase it doesnt had FHM cylinder walls like the h22. that means the f you can run stronger then stock forged pistons without sleeveing. where as the h22 anything other then stock honda pistons say goodbye to stock FHM.

Thats why the f series is boost friendly.

not because the block is stronger. the thing that breaks on both motors is the ringlands on the pistons. so the f you can upgrade pistons easly the h22 you cant.

so if your sleeveing an h22 and sleeving an f22. you cant tell me one is better then the other.

 

I do agree with the rings but the OEM lude sleeves aren't the only things that hold it back. It also starts with a much higher compression ratio. But if you are changing out pistons and doing the sleeves this is a moot point anyway. But I don't see any reason in swapping in the H22 if you have an F22 that is in perfectly good shape under the hood. Once you sleeve, lower the compression, etc. you will be making more power than you can control in a FWD vehicle. I don't see why everyone wants to go throwing away a perfectly good engine just to jump on the H bandwagon.

 

hey I drive an h22 everyday.

but I still like that the f22 has something like 8.8:1 comp. sounds like it likes boost?
I wanted to do a supercharged f22 stock internals basically just to boost till it blows. (no supercharger bracket made yet. Soon though soon)
and you can usually pick up an f22 for dirt.

 

8.9:1 on the f22b1. i used to own an F. tried to make it fast. just couldnt justify blowing money on that turd anymore. it would take more psi to make 400 hp on an f22 as opposed to an h22 becuase of the girly compression ratio on the f22.

 

...but the "girly" compression ratio will buy you a whole lotta more forgiveness when the tuning goes south. Anything above 9:1, welcome to detonation city.

P

 

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Just as stated above that compression ratio is what allows you to boost more without running some sort of outrageous fuel. Let's all face it, there is a reason cars that come from the factory with big turbo power (Evo, STI, SRT4) come with low compression ratios. Because it makes it less prone to detonation and being forced to run race gas.

 

there has been 10:0 and 10:6 compression turboed rides. the key is the tuning. yeah you will have less room for error with high compression but that is why you get a well trusted tuner and don't get cheezy parts. there was even a 11:0 compression ride somewhere on this board a while back. tuning is always the key. it will determine how well your motor will last, how long it will last, and if it will be reliable enough to no throw alot of money away by trying to fix it.

 

Seriously, you guys must not get the whole concept. No matter what you do or how you say it lower compression will allow more boost at a stated octane. Period. The higher the compression the less you will be able to boost. That's all there is to it.

 

like he said "the key is tuning." you cannot expect some shitty vafc or crappy tune to handle your boost app correctly. you could have 11:1 compression and boost and have no problems with detonation as long as you have someone tune it who knows waht they are doing.

 

You think you can run just as much boost at 11:1 as you can at 9:1 on the same fuel?

 

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save yourself lots of time and money and spend 2k and get an h22 swap. unless you are trying to "show people what f series is all about" then I would buy an H swap.</TD></TR></TABLE>

cuz its cheaper to make 400hp on the f22 than the h22 safely.

 

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Hes right

Why do you think you always see people tuning with 100 octane race gas?

Higher octane and cooler air temperatures allow you to run more boost without detonating. That's why you see things like race gas, intercoolers, and alchohol injection.

 

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one bad tank of its pretty much over if its a daily driver.