i am trying to get ready to start my f22b1 turbo prject. I am really trying to make 400+whp with a built engine. I am now trying to choose a turbo for the prject. I was on cheap turbo.com and saw a couple that look good. I want something with fast spool and little lag. I don't have money to get a gt turbo. Can anybody help me. Here are some i was looking at,

http://store.yahoo.com/cheapturbo/gatu.html

 

even though this has been covered extensively, why not go for the dsm turbo setup? the dsm turbo's are good for some decent power if i remember correctly. 300whp .... anyone correct me if i'm wrong. if you have never had a turbo'd car i would suggest that you do a dsm setup with a built engine. this way if you end up not liking it you havn't sunk $1k into a turbo that is now used. just my 2 cents

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by deeweezy187 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i am trying to get ready to start my f22b1 turbo prject. I am really trying to make 400+whp with a built engine. I am now trying to choose a turbo for the prject. I was on cheap turbo.com and saw a couple that look good. I want something with fast spool and little lag. I don't have money to get a gt turbo. Can anybody help me. Here are some i was looking at,

http://store.yahoo.com/cheapturbo/gatu.html</TD></TR></TABLE>

Your goals are entirely different.

A turbo with fast spool and little lag is usually small (so it gets to full boost earlier),and because of that, you can't push too much air through it, meaning you won't get to 400hp on it. And if you dont have enough money to afford a quality turbo, how do you expect to build the engine, provide fuel, and properly tune it (I mean AEM EMS, nothing less for 400hp)?

 

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Your goals are entirely different.

A turbo with fast spool and little lag is usually small (so it gets to full boost earlier),and because of that, you can't push too much air through it, meaning you won't get to 400hp on it. And if you dont have enough money to afford a quality turbo, how do you expect to build the engine, provide fuel, and properly tune it (I mean AEM EMS, nothing less for 400hp)?</TD></TR></TABLE>

ha! the obvious points i missed...damn

 

yeah, if you want a fast spooling turbo and little lag, you get 250whp at the most with built block.

If you want good power, look at the t3/t4 hybrids

Here's a link of compressor maps, if you dont know how to read them, I suggest you learn.

http://64.225.76.178/catalog/compmaps/fig3.html

Here's a cheat sheet to help you read the maps, go to that site, and on the right hand side, download the turbocalc-1 spreadsheet, you have to have MS Excel to see it.

http://stealthmodeperformance....shtml


heres some info on udnerstanding turbo's a little more:
http://www.turbobygarrett.com/....html

Also, if you want 400whp out of this, then dont cheap out on any parts.

Another thing i suggest, go to http://www.homemadeturbo.com, look in the classifieds, you'll find some pretty good deals on there, and also you can get tons of information about ems and pretty much everything about turbos. but before you go posting over there, i suggest you read.

 

f22 turbo guys..... not anymore

 

if you build a manifold with a split housing turbo inmind you could run a holset hx35....YOU WILL HAVE LAG.....but you will not have to run as much boost to reach your goal of 400hp...less boost=less heat.....and when the turbo kicks in it will hit you like a train....hehe

 

I really don't agree with much that has been posted on this thread thus far. Their are a couple things, since this was an open ended question, that need to be considered.

What would you consider too laggy? With a built engine and head( also the honda transmission- I'm used to weak DSM transmissions ) you can rev your engine higher and it will also withstand more pressure. With 2.2L to spool a turbo I would say your best bet would be a 50 trim, 60 trim, or 60-1. The spool decreases the bigger the turbo is but all three are extremely streetable and easy to deal with. With all three you will see spool in the low to high 3000 rpm range.

Also if you want to use a DSM setup their are numerous turbos that will support this power, and will bolt on. You have anything from a 14b to a bolt on GT35r.

Built engine, 750cc injectors, Walbro 255 fuel pump, a good intercooler, and proper engine management 400whp will come easier than you think.

 

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Built engine, 750cc injectors, Walbro 255 fuel pump, a good intercooler, and proper engine management 400whp will come easier than you think. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Ask the guy that just got 335 whp out of his Accord what he did, and go from there. A 'high 3000 rpm' full boost is not that good on a car that shifts before 6k...

 

https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1411562

is pretty much the record right now...and built internals are hard to do because no one makes them, youd have to spend a good chunk of cash to build the engine to support more than 10-12lbs of boost.

 

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is pretty much the record right now...and built internals are hard to do because no one makes them, youd have to spend a good chunk of cash to build the engine to support more than 10-12lbs of boost. </TD></TR></TABLE>

not very hard to find h23 crower or no name china forged rods, h23 studs, and forged raceeng (made by wiseco) 8.8:1 f22 slugs.

when i finish school and not on the paycheck to paycheck deal i plan on doin just a rod and piston build and hopefully be somewhere around 350-400hp

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by raceACCORDingly &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">not very hard to find h23 crower or no name china forged rods, h23 studs, and forged raceeng (made by wiseco) 8.8:1 f22 slugs.

when i finish school and not on the paycheck to paycheck deal i plan on doin just a rod and piston build and hopefully be somewhere around 350-400hp</TD></TR></TABLE>

And you can do that AND afford a good turbo...

 

I don't know if anyone mentioned this yet but he said he is doing a f22b1 turbo project and if I am not mistaken DSM manifolds will only work on the f22a heads. So if you do DSM you would still need a manifold. Sounds like you need to figure out what you want first though.

 

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already have a decent turbo setup.

lsd motorsport short tubular mani (being made right now)
brand new garret t3/to4e .60/.63ar 57trim stg 3 wheel
tial 35mm wg
JRC 6" FMIC
stealthmode oil lines
p28 socketed w/ a f22 uber bin
blitz dd bov
450 bluetops
etc...

dmurph... they are just talking about the dsm 14b/16g turbo not the mani. but the manifold will also fit JDM f22b dohc, h23, and f22a

 

with a built engine, you should be able to rev to at least 7000 rpm. The stock redline on a CB7 accord is 6500. Don't be afraid of a lot of power. It may be Honda but come on.