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Old Oct 20, 2005 | 09:10 PM
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what is says up there ^ thanks
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Old Oct 20, 2005 | 09:12 PM
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http://www.scca.com/_filelibra...s.pdf
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Old Oct 20, 2005 | 09:17 PM
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yeah i own one of those but i cant decipher all the technical crap could someone give me a quick answer
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Old Oct 20, 2005 | 09:26 PM
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Old Oct 20, 2005 | 09:28 PM
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wow nevermind forget i asked
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Old Oct 20, 2005 | 09:40 PM
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You have to have a flywheel to drive the car. Yes they are allowed.....

It's really not very hard to read. On the occasion something is weird and you'll need to e-mail Doug Gill with a question.
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Old Oct 21, 2005 | 05:00 AM
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Geez people, it really is a simple question even though he is too lazy to read

Short answer, stock flywheels must be used in STX. So, that means no aftermarket 8lb aluminum ones. Same goes for clutch. I just spent way too much money on a stock clutch/flywheel/PP setup for my car last year.
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Old Oct 21, 2005 | 05:08 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Todd00 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Geez people, it really is a simple question even though he is too lazy to read
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Teach a man to fish.........
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Old Oct 21, 2005 | 05:55 AM
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Flywheel has to be stock but you can run aftermarket clutches in STX. Some of you guys need to just chill and help your fellow racer out.

Instead of being ****** (which is easier for some of you), be more helpful and just answer the question. The guy is new to the sport why make yourself look like a jerk - when everyone knows that <u>most</u> of the forum users on Honda-Tech in the Road Racing/Autocross forum are known to be asses?
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Old Oct 21, 2005 | 06:16 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by CivicSiRacer &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Flywheel has to be stock but you can run aftermarket clutches in STX. Some of you guys need to just chill and help your fellow racer out.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Please cut and paste the rule from Stock, STS or STX where an aftermarket clutch (non-standard/non-oem equivelant part) is allowed? KTHXBYE.

We are helping him figure things out for himself. People need to read the rules. People need to UNDERSTAND the rules.

How many times does an question need to be answered before someone searches for it themselves?

Teh int4rw3b br33dz l4z1n355. Too many kids were served hand and foot. Many of us are fed up with people like the OP that can't help themselves and be bothered to <U>Search</U> and figure it'd be faster just to post about it. Well.. whoops... this time it wasn't.

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Old Oct 21, 2005 | 06:52 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Todd00 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Geez people, it really is a simple question even though he is too lazy to read
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If he's too lazy to read we're just too lazy to type the answer for him.
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Old Oct 21, 2005 | 07:12 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ekim952522000 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">yeah i own one of those but i cant decipher all the technical crap could someone give me a quick answer</TD></TR></TABLE>

Are you serious?
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Old Oct 21, 2005 | 11:21 AM
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For the reader's digest version of the rules, you can always go here...

http://www.scca.com/_filelibra...s.pdf

Street Touring® – Started in 1997, this is one of SCCA’s fastest growing Solo
Categories, which includes Street Touring Sport (STS), Street Touring Sport 2-
seater (STS2), Street Touring Xtra (STX), and Street Touring Ultra (STU). This is
the only category that does not allow R-compound tires – only real “street” tires
with a UTQG treadwear rating of 140 or higher.

STS consists of sedans / coupes with four seats and normally aspirated engines
up to 3.1L (very few turbo / supercharged cars are allowed):
- Stock category allowances
- No limited slip differentials except for standard viscous-types
- Pedal kits and other interior trim
- Front seats (15 pounds minimum weight each)
- Rub strips, emblems, and mud flaps removed
- Body kits, spoilers, and wings added
- Tires up to 225 mm wide, UTQG treadwear 140 minimum
- Wheels up to 7½ inches wide, any diameter / offset
- Shocks / struts
- Drilled / slotted rotors (standard size) and braided DOT brake lines
- Anti-roll bars, front and rear
- Lowered suspensions using standard-type springs
- Suspension bushings (non-metallic)
- Camber kits, plates, or bolts
- Traction bars, torque arms, panhard rods
- Strut bars, 2-point only
- Battery relocated
- Air filter systems up to throttle body or compressor inlet
- Headers, emissions compliant
- Engine computers (ECU / PCM) reprogrammed
- Shifter kits
- Accessory drive pulleys
- Motor mounts (non-metallic)
- Example of included cars: Audi A4 1.8T and TT (non-quattro), Mazda 323
GT and GTX (AWD), Volkswagen Golf / GTi / Jetta / Beetle / Passat 1.8T
and TDI, Volvo S40 (except T5) and V40
- Example of excluded cars: Datsun Z 2+2, Honda CRX, MG B GT, Porsche
(all), Triumph (all)

STS2 (supplemental class – non-Championship) for sports cars with 2 seats and
normally aspirated engines up to 1.9L:
- STS allowances
- Included cars: BMW Z3, Honda CRX and del Sol, Mazda Miata (’90-‘97)
and RX-7 (’79-’92) (non-turbo), Toyota MR2 (’85-’89) (non-supercharged)
- Excluded cars: Lotus (all), Mazda Miata (99+), Toyota MR2 (’91-’95, ‘00+)

STX is for sedans / coupes with four seats and engines up to 5.1L normally
aspirated or up to 2.0L turbo / supercharged:
- STS allowances
- Tires up to 245 mm wide, UTQG treadwear 140 minimum
- Wheels up to 8 inches wide, any diameter / offset
- Limited slip differentials allowed (including aftermarket) for 2WD cars
- High-flow “cat”
- Larger brake calipers and rotors
- Excluded cars: Audi S4 (V8 engine), BMW M3 (E36 & E46) and M5,
Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution, Subaru Impreza WRX STi, Mazda RX-8

STU (supplemental class – non-Championship) is for sedans / coupes with four
seats and normally aspirated engines of any displacement normally aspirated or
turbo / supercharged engines up to 3.1L
- STS and STX allowances
- No wheel restrictions
- Tires for 2WD cars up to 275 mm wide (245 for AWD)
- Example of included cars: Audi S4, BMW M3 (E36), Chevrolet Camaro,
Dodge SRT-4, Ford Mustang, Mazda RX-8, Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution,
Pontiac Firebird / Trans Am and GTO, Subaru Impreza WRX STi, Volvo
S60 R, Toyota Supra
- Excluded cars: BMW M3 (E46) and M5 (E39)
Refer to the SCCA National Solo Rules for full details and specifications on the
Street Touring allowances.
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Old Oct 21, 2005 | 11:26 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by typer_801 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">For the reader's digest version of the rules, you can always go here...

http://www.scca.com/_filelibra...s.pdf

Street Touring® – Started in 1997, this is one of SCCA’s fastest growing Solo
Categories, which includes Street Touring Sport (STS), Street Touring Sport 2-
seater (STS2), Street Touring Xtra (STX), and Street Touring Ultra (STU). This is
the only category that does not allow R-compound tires – only real “street” tires
with a UTQG treadwear rating of 140 or higher.

STS consists of sedans / coupes with four seats and normally aspirated engines
up to 3.1L (very few turbo / supercharged cars are allowed):
- Stock category allowances
- No limited slip differentials except for standard viscous-types
- Pedal kits and other interior trim
- Front seats (15 pounds minimum weight each)
- Rub strips, emblems, and mud flaps removed
- Body kits, spoilers, and wings added
- Tires up to 225 mm wide, UTQG treadwear 140 minimum
- Wheels up to 7½ inches wide, any diameter / offset
- Shocks / struts
- Drilled / slotted rotors (standard size) and braided DOT brake lines
- Anti-roll bars, front and rear
- Lowered suspensions using standard-type springs
- Suspension bushings (non-metallic)
- Camber kits, plates, or bolts
- Traction bars, torque arms, panhard rods
- Strut bars, 2-point only
- Battery relocated
- Air filter systems up to throttle body or compressor inlet
- Headers, emissions compliant
- Engine computers (ECU / PCM) reprogrammed
- Shifter kits
- Accessory drive pulleys
- Motor mounts (non-metallic)
- Example of included cars: Audi A4 1.8T and TT (non-quattro), Mazda 323
GT and GTX (AWD), Volkswagen Golf / GTi / Jetta / Beetle / Passat 1.8T
and TDI, Volvo S40 (except T5) and V40
- Example of excluded cars: Datsun Z 2+2, Honda CRX, MG B GT, Porsche
(all), Triumph (all)

STS2 (supplemental class – non-Championship) for sports cars with 2 seats and
normally aspirated engines up to 1.9L:
- STS allowances
- Included cars: BMW Z3, Honda CRX and del Sol, Mazda Miata (’90-‘97)
and RX-7 (’79-’92) (non-turbo), Toyota MR2 (’85-’89) (non-supercharged)
- Excluded cars: Lotus (all), Mazda Miata (99+), Toyota MR2 (’91-’95, ‘00+)

STX is for sedans / coupes with four seats and engines up to 5.1L normally
aspirated or up to 2.0L turbo / supercharged:
- STS allowances
- Tires up to 245 mm wide, UTQG treadwear 140 minimum
- Wheels up to 8 inches wide, any diameter / offset
- Limited slip differentials allowed (including aftermarket) for 2WD cars
- High-flow “cat”
- Larger brake calipers and rotors
- Excluded cars: Audi S4 (V8 engine), BMW M3 (E36 & E46) and M5,
Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution, Subaru Impreza WRX STi, Mazda RX-8

STU (supplemental class – non-Championship) is for sedans / coupes with four
seats and normally aspirated engines of any displacement normally aspirated or
turbo / supercharged engines up to 3.1L
- STS and STX allowances
- No wheel restrictions
- Tires for 2WD cars up to 275 mm wide (245 for AWD)
- Example of included cars: Audi S4, BMW M3 (E36), Chevrolet Camaro,
Dodge SRT-4, Ford Mustang, Mazda RX-8, Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution,
Pontiac Firebird / Trans Am and GTO, Subaru Impreza WRX STi, Volvo
S60 R, Toyota Supra
- Excluded cars: BMW M3 (E46) and M5 (E39)
Refer to the SCCA National Solo Rules for full details and specifications on the
Street Touring allowances.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Too much reading.. Got cliff notes?
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Old Oct 21, 2005 | 12:38 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by KC &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Too much reading.. Got cliff notes?</TD></TR></TABLE>

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Old Oct 21, 2005 | 03:11 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ekim952522000 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">yeah i own one of those but i cant decipher all the technical crap could someone give me a quick answer</TD></TR></TABLE>

What's so technical about a PDF? He handed you the SCCA Solo 2 rulebook on a silver plater. If you are remotely interested in auto-x, bookmark it.

good luck & remember you're not in the ITR Forum anymore Toto,

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Old Oct 21, 2005 | 04:32 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Utilitarian &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> If you are remotely interested in auto-x, bookmark it.
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Better yet, download it. It's free.

The answer to all your questions is in there. Trust me.
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Old Oct 21, 2005 | 04:43 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by carl_aka_carlos &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Are you serious? </TD></TR></TABLE>

Yes dick i am and im not to lazy the rule book says the engine and transmission must remain stock but im new to autocrossing and was not sure it they considered the cluth and flywheel in this statement. so go to hell. its guys like you who scare off new people inteested in autocrossing and clutter up a good forum with useless crap. for all the energy it took you to write "Are you serious" you could have answered my question, but i guess your just a jackass and im wasting my time even writing this.

Or maybe im just to lazy to finish

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Utilitarian &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

What's so technical about a PDF? He handed you the SCCA Solo 2 rulebook on a silver plater. If you are remotely interested in auto-x, bookmark it.

good luck & remember you're not in the ITR Forum anymore Toto,

Matt</TD></TR></TABLE>

I said i own a rule book and i did read it i was just confused sorry im not perfect.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by CivicSiRacer &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Flywheel has to be stock but you can run aftermarket clutches in STX. Some of you guys need to just chill and help your fellow racer out.

Instead of being ****** (which is easier for some of you), be more helpful and just answer the question. The guy is new to the sport why make yourself look like a jerk - when everyone knows that <u>most</u> of the forum users on Honda-Tech in the Road Racing/Autocross forum are known to be asses?</TD></TR></TABLE>

CivicSIRacer thanks for being a good guy and helping me out I didn't think it was such a big deal and would start a flame war thanks for the help. atleast theres some good people on here.
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Old Oct 22, 2005 | 12:35 AM
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ahhh, grasshopper. you have learned something about the nature of this forum.

next time, be like hey yo-

I'm confused on this rule pertaining to STX:

14.10 ENGINE
Engine and transmission must remain unmodified, including emissions
equipment, except as noted below:


Does this include the clutch and flywheel?


you'll get your answer in one post.
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Old Oct 22, 2005 | 09:48 AM
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ha ha you are wise beyond your years thanks your probally right that would have been a better way to approach it.
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Old Oct 22, 2005 | 09:54 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ekim952522000 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">


CivicSIRacer thanks for being a good guy and helping me out I didn't think it was such a big deal and would start a flame war thanks for the help. atleast theres some good people on here.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Remember, if it doesn't say you can, then you can't. Number 1 rule in the SoloII rulebook. And if you read the rules, you'll see that CivicSiRacer was incorrect in his reply to you. Clutch/flywheel must be stock in ALL ST classes.
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Old Oct 22, 2005 | 10:20 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ekim952522000 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> so go to hell. its guys like you who scare off new people inteested in autocrossing and clutter up a good forum with useless crap. for all the energy it took you to write "Are you serious" you could have answered my question, but i guess your just a jackass and im wasting my time even writing this.
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Look out folks, we got ourselves an e-thug!

I answered your question in the very first post, I linked you to the rules.

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Old Oct 22, 2005 | 10:36 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">CivicSiRacer was incorrect in his reply to you. Clutch/flywheel must be stock in ALL ST classes.</TD></TR></TABLE>

When did that change? I thought STX was allowed aftermarket clutches. Hrm. Need to brush up on my rules.
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Old Oct 22, 2005 | 02:06 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by CivicSiRacer &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

When did that change? I thought STX was allowed aftermarket clutches. Hrm. Need to brush up on my rules.</TD></TR></TABLE>

It was never allowed since day 1 in any ST class.
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Old Oct 24, 2005 | 04:54 AM
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Parallel thread by same poster on SCCAForums:

http://sccaforums.com/forums/1...60621

--Andy
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