Can I swap in a vtec-e into an '88-'91 Civic?

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Old Oct 20, 2005 | 07:30 PM
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Default Can I swap in a vtec-e into an '88-'91 Civic?

Please excuse my newbiness. I want to go for the best gas mileage in this combination of Civic and vtec-e drivetrain. I can't seem to find a '92-up Civic VX anywhere, so that's why I ask this question.
Does Hasport or someone else offer a swap kit?
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Old Oct 20, 2005 | 07:46 PM
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wtf is vtec-e ?
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Old Oct 20, 2005 | 07:47 PM
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came out of the 92-95 civic vx? good gas saver i hear.
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Old Oct 20, 2005 | 08:01 PM
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While its unusual, its pretty easy.
The D15z1 should bolt in like a D16z6 would(no mount kit necessary)...I imagine the wiring would be mildly different.

For the record, it made 92HP@5500, 97FTLB@4500. Pretty much the same range as a Civic/CRX.

Before you go looking into switching engines, you should look into changing the gearing in your transmission.
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Old Oct 20, 2005 | 08:07 PM
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i have a trany off a crx hf if you want it no grinds around 110,xx miles if you would be intrested
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Old Oct 21, 2005 | 12:06 AM
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wiring is a little different I think becuase you would have to run it obd 1....find the right ecu......I know it has a 5 wire o2 sensor (very expensive) and the two stage vtec.....I wouldn't recomend it...spendin money to save money usually doesn't pay off.....**** my obd 1 a6/z6 mini me gets 32 at the worst when I rod the **** out of it in town
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Old Oct 21, 2005 | 04:33 AM
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Yes, you would have to do an obd-1 conversion to see the benefits of the z1.
It does use a 5 wire o2 sensor($325+)...I would hope so because the thing runs ultra lean for economy.
It is NOT a two stage vtec configuration.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by TOV &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">A novel implementation of VTEC in SOHC engines is the VTEC-E implementation (E for Economy). VTEC-E uses the principle of swirling to promote more efficient air-and-fuel mixing in the engine chambers. VTEC-E works by deactivating one intake valve.

In the SOHC VTEC-E implementation, only one intake cam-lobe is implemented on the camshaft. Actually it is really a flat "ring". In operation this means the relevant rocker arm will not be activated causing the engine to effectively work in 12-valve mode. This promotes a swirl action during the intake cycle. VTEC is used to activate the inactive valve, making the engine work in 16-valve mode in more demanding and higher rpm conditions. </TD></TR></TABLE>

A DX or Si CRX engine on an HF transmission will easily get 40+ mpg. Were you looking for more?
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Old Oct 21, 2005 | 04:57 AM
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Not worth your money to swap motors. Better of to swap transmission like everyone is saying.

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A DX or Si CRX engine on an HF transmission will easily get 40+ mpg. Were you looking for more?</TD></TR></TABLE>

I get 35+ in the city on the CRX (DX) transmission I have in my car and that is not granny shifting. Also if you want 40+ get a hybrid and sell us your car.
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Old Oct 21, 2005 | 07:19 AM
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Excellent points, thanks guys.
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Old Oct 21, 2005 | 07:32 AM
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This is a swap I'm planning on doing this winter. The engine is already in my garage. I also have a 90 HF tranny for the swap. This will be going into my 89 LX.

I've made a number of posts about this, so search for my name. If you're interested in this type of thing, check out my signature.

You'll probably get 50ish mpg with this setup. You'll need a HF tranny. do NOT use the VX tranny as it is hydro and won't work with your EF unless you spend lots of money and time doing a conversion. Any DX or HF tranny will bolt right up, as long as you match years.

88 used one kind of axles, 89-91 used another. Match your new tranny to your car and you'll be able to keep your axles.

Get the p07 ECU

You'll need to get a custom wiring harness made. I'm doing my own harness, but I'm sure you could get one made for around $100ish. The wiring is a little different than other cars, so you can't just get a obd0-&gt;obd1 conversion harness.

You'll also need the EGR Control BOx out of a VX or HF. I've yet to hook mine up, but I'm certain it's easy.

Besides that, it's easy as 1-2-3.
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Old Oct 21, 2005 | 08:08 AM
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Ahh, beat me to it matt...
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