i wanna know when i lower the car, will toe change?? i know camber will be change in everydrop, but does toe changes?? cause right now toe is pretty much str8, so i can just DIY camber str8 as possible.

 

Toe changes along with ride height.

If you change the height of the car, get an alignment to set the toe and don't worry about camber.

 

ok, but i dont understand why toe is changing, its not like iam unbolting any of toe adjustment parts.

 

Because like camber, toe is dynamic for our suspension design - it changes as the suspension travels. The way in which the toe is designed to change can be used to affect handling - just like with camber.

Why do you not understand? The camber changes dynamically - you aren't adjusting the static camber adjustments while the suspension is travelling - so why couldn't toe do the same?

 

oh i see, i didnt know that, good to know

 

When the car is lowered, it changes the suspension geometry. The toe is set by the tie rod in the front, and the compensator arm connected to the trailing arm in the rear.

If you look at the way the tie rod is connected, you will see how when the ride height of the car is changed, it will push or pull the front of the tire in or out (i.e. / \ or \ / when looking down at the tires) which is the toe setting. The tie rod is threaded to shorten or lengthen it to set the toe to 0 ( | | ).

 

well I do alignments for a living and the best thing i can say is that when you lower a car the camber caster and toe are affected. No matter what anyone says it will be affected. The thing i could reccomend to do is lower the car to the ride hieght you want it and install a camber kit. Them invest in some big washers from osh or home depot so you can do your caster adjustment on the cross member or if you have a traction bar it can be adjusted with the radius arms. I hope this helps you out alittle

If you want hit me up on pm and i will explain and help you one on one with the problem.

Ken

 

ok ok this gone too far.lol

guess i have to get camber kit to get algnment, dont wanna pay over $60 for just toe adjustment.

i saw few thread about DIY alignment.
also link is here. http://www.c-speedracing.com/h...t.php

when i do this how do i know my steering wheel is on perfect str8.
also from the link, put string around the car, i dont understand where and how that is perfect line up.

 

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So you're going to spend an extra $200 for an adjustment you don't need to do?

I do all my own alignments with these:

http://www.longacreracing.com/...tid=5

I used to string it up, by using the methods that I found in these threads:

https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=597192

But I change my suspension setup so frequently, that I just use the toe plates now, as the minor adjustments don't have too much effect on the thrust angle, or straightness of the steering wheel. I don't worry about caster or camber (although I do have a gauge) as I can't adjust either of those without a camber kit, which I don't have (and I'm running alot of neg camber).

Alternatively, since I know my car is 'straight' and has no frame or suspension damage; I will string one side of the car only to check thrust angle occasionally. This can be done if you know your track dimensions (in the helms manual). If they are the same front / rear; just set the string the same distance from each hub, then set the toe to the string.

If you want more info, or definition of terms, this is a good resource:

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/...hid=4

 

Going a bit off topic, but I lowered my car to the ride height desired which is pretty much slammed. I don't have a camber kit installed, but all I want to have my camber all around is set at -1 degrees, and zero out my toe.

Can I still have that done without getting a camber kit?

 

Im in the same boat, HELP do you really need a camber kit Im on HR sportlines 1.75 front and 1.5 rear

 

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If you slam the car, it is going to need some form of camber compensation to get it back to just -1 degree. Something to functionally lengthen the upper control arm is the typical program.

When I do my own alightments on the racecar and street car, toe is always the very last thing I set at it changes when all the others change and it does not change anything else. Essentially toe is the farthest downstream of the settings and ride height is the farthest upstream.