Anybody try these tires yet?
how do they compare to the hankook rs2?
i'm leaning towards these because the rs2 are sold out.
any better than what they replaced the t1s?

 

i dont know how much this will help you, as i have never used either the T1S or the RS2, but i can tell you that the T1R's are a great set of tires, wet or dry. Im sure you wont be dissapointed in them.

 

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wow, some great information there.

 

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wow, some great information there.</TD></TR></TABLE>

And that was any better???

 

all i know is that the hankook rs2 Z212s are only 75 bucks for 15 inch on edge racing.

 

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And that was any better??? </TD></TR></TABLE>

And the fact that you like them is what kind of proof that they are better than the R2S?

Did you have yours shaved? What size are you running? And what wheel width are you running them on?

And to the original poster you need to be more specific in you question. Is this for Autocross, track day use, or DD (please don't say daily driving!!!).

IMO just looking at the tire (T1R) there is alot of void area and even shaved I think that the tread pattern is still not going to put enough rubber to the ground.

I have run shaved MX's, and both of the Azenis at all different tread depths. I think right now the Kumho, Falken, and Kook tires are all very close with very small differences that a little setup tweaking can fix. But the one thing that I think we all missed was the 205/40/16 RT615.... It looks like I'm getting another set of SSR's this Christmas too 16x7.5's

 

Anybody thinking of shaving a set of T1-Rs is missing the point of the tire's place in the market. The T1-R is a value-priced, ultra high performance tire for daily driving. It sucks for mud and snow, which is why it's so good in the dry and wet. It is not a DOT-spec competition tire. And those are the only tires which should ever be shaved (unless you're an idiot and just like throwing money away...)

I've driven on the tire it replaced, the T1-S, for years and like them a lot. I've done track days and auto-crosses on them, and they have performed well. But that's not what they're made for. They are made to be daily driver tires. If you use them for that you will probably like them as much as I do.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by thawley &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Anybody thinking of shaving a set of T1-Rs is missing the point of the tire's place in the market. The T1-R is a value-priced, ultra high performance tire for daily driving. It sucks for mud and snow, which is why it's so good in the dry and wet. It is not a DOT-spec competition tire. And those are the only tires which should ever be shaved (unless you're an idiot and just like throwing money away...)

I've driven on the tire it replaced, the T1-S, for years and like them a lot. I've done track days and auto-crosses on them, and they have performed well. But that's not what they're made for. They are made to be daily driver tires. If you use them for that you will probably like them as much as I do. </TD></TR></TABLE>

You sir have not participated in a National Tour, ProSolo, or Solo2 Nationals, in the Street Touring classes!!!!!!

Everyone in the ST classes who trophied were either on shaved or older tires that had been worn down. GrassRoots has a blurb on why you <U>would</U> want to shave a street tire in the August 05 issue, page 104!!!

And as far as their place in the market as a Value priced preformance tire. Check you prices Size 205/50/15: Edgeracing Hankook Rs2 $75, Falken RT615 $92, Toyo T1R $91, TireRack: Kumho MX $80. I see 2 tires with more preformance for less money and one with better preformance for $1 more.

And like I posted even shaved the voids in the tire appear to be too great. So this tire IMO is not as good as any of the other tire I listed answering the origional question.

 

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You sir have not participated in a National Tour, ProSolo, or Solo2 Nationals, in the Street Touring classes!!!!!!

Everyone in the ST classes who trophied were either on shaved or older tires that had been worn down. GrassRoots has a blurb on why you <U>would</U> want to shave a street tire in the August 05 issue, page 104!!!


And like I posted even shaved the voids in the tire appear to be too great. So this tire IMO is not as good as any of the other tire I listed answering the origional question.</TD></TR></TABLE>

well you can't really read. John never said anything about shaving tires in general he was talking about shaving the T1-R's.

 

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And I have not yet been Knighted, so you can just call me Lord...

 

Yeah but thats what I said too in the post right above his.<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by vbspec &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">


IMO just looking at the tire (T1R) there is alot of void area and even shaved I think that the tread pattern is still not going to put enough rubber to the ground.

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So who cant read???

 

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And I have not yet been Knighted, so you can just call me Lord...</TD></TR></TABLE>

Gotta love HT !!!!

We said the same thing

 

this is dumb.

why is this site so hard for someone to ask a question with out getting all "internet banged" and all? either from someone that "thinks" they know everything and from people that are just "followers" to those people. everybody appreciates your "expertise." but I thought message boards like these are to help people with the common interest? not to be an "internet banger"

not to put anybody down at all but everytime i see a dumb commet, on sombody putting some other person down or hatten on there grammer haha. i look at the profile and see how old you are and then i say.... WTF!

Ive been working on hondas since i was 16, now 26. and im sure i dont know everything. I just got back into it last year so i could get into roadracing becuase Ive grown up working on hondas and hondas are what i know "best".
But I read a lot of threads and its really turning me off of hondas. I think, "i dont want to be one of these people"

with the mentality of people that are "honda people" makes me think twice. (i got out of high school a long time ago) but bottom line.. i love working on hondas. and all the after market and affordablily about them.

Im sure there are a lot of people that think the same way as me and not everybody is like that..

thanks for letting me ramble..


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Modified by lastturn at 7:02 AM 10/26/2005

 

I thought you didn't take it that seriously???

And what the hell dose the fact that you like to work on Honda's have to do with this thread??? I hate working on Honda's and I've owned at least one for 15 years. I hate it because I cant afford to have a crew do it for me...... .

 

 

Back on topic........i have done lots of research as i am about to get some new tires myself.
It truly depends on what you are looking for.
For strictly autox use (and maybe a little bit of DD) you have to go with the Azenis 615s or the Hankook Z212s. These will be fine for DD.......if you dont mind buying a new set every 10k miles. (which i personally wasn't willing to do).
The Toyo T1-R is more of a "compromise" tire. It is mainly good for street driving, but you can use it on the autox course and for HPDEs and stuff and they won't let you down.
I personally chose the T1-Rs because, even though i am aware that i won't get the dry performance that comes with the Hankook and Azenis, i will get a tire that lasts for 20k + miles.........and to me, being in college, that is just more important.

i will do a full write-up once i get them mounted and worn in a little bit.

(if it matters they are going on an Mazdaspeed Protege with 17X7 rims (225-45-17) for $129 per tire from edgeracing.com

hope this helps

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by chris1866 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Back on topic........i have done lots of research as i am about to get some new tires myself.
It truly depends on what you are looking for.
For strictly autox use (and maybe a little bit of DD) you have to go with the Azenis 615s or the Hankook Z212s. These will be fine for DD.......if you dont mind buying a new set every 10k miles. (which i personally wasn't willing to do).
The Toyo T1-R is more of a "compromise" tire. It is mainly good for street driving, but you can use it on the autox course and for HPDEs and stuff and they won't let you down.
I personally chose the T1-Rs because, even though i am aware that i won't get the dry performance that comes with the Hankook and Azenis, i will get a tire that lasts for 20k + miles.........and to me, being in college, that is just more important.

i will do a full write-up once i get them mounted and worn in a little bit.

(if it matters they are going on an Mazdaspeed Protege with 17X7 rims (225-45-17) for $129 per tire from edgeracing.com

hope this helps</TD></TR></TABLE>

yeah, i just got a set of the hankook rs2 z212 in a 15inch. i havent used them yet. (still building my car) so i have no personal experience with them.
My roommate picked up some TR1s for his BMW2002 in a 15inch as well. he also is building his car so he hasnt used them aswell..

but from we hear, its the same what chris1866 says.

edge racing wants 75 bucks for 15s for the hankooks.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by MugenHonda &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Anybody try these tires yet?
how do they compare to the hankook rs2?
i'm leaning towards these because the rs2 are sold out.
any better than what they replaced the t1s?
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I have a set of 225/40-16 T1-Rs on my Type R. They are my street tires. I've done a HPDE on them and they were pretty good - but I usually use RA-1s at the track and in comparison to those - they are mediocre.

On the street they are quiet and they are excellent in the wet. There is quite a bit of tread squirm but it's probably because they are still fairly new on my car.

I posted some pics of them here: https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1401176

I have no idea how they compare to the Hankooks though.

 

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I have a set of 225/40-16 T1-Rs on my Type R. They are my street tires. I've done a HPDE on them and they were pretty good - but I usually use RA-1s at the track and in comparison to those - they are mediocre.....</TD></TR></TABLE>


What about your Advans?

 

I have 205/50ZR15 R-s2 z212's and I love them. Huge grip. They kill my last tires (Toyo Proxes 4). The are good/adequate in the wet, but really perform in the dry amazingly well. When this set wears out, i'll be replacing with exact same or possibly try RT-615's.

RT-615 and R-S2 Z212 are basically the same, same treadware rating, same 8.5/32nds tread.

I bought these for max summer tires and i'll be trying them for auto-x in the spring

 

Just to get this in, the Proxes 4, while a pretty good tire, is still an all-season. Comparing it to a dedicated summer tire is sort of silly.

Now, more importantly, lastturn, are you "Tom" on MySpace, the guy that becomes everyone's friend immediately?

 

the test in Car and Driver this month says that the T1R sucks. bad.

 

I did a wet track day last weekend here in Vancouver.

I found out that the T1Rs suck/skate with low tire pressures.

Pumping them up to 38F/36R (cold) made a world of difference - I was able to push the car just as hard as my 15" R compounds.

Compared to my Advan A048s - the grip was commendable - considering it's a street tire.

 

thanks peeps.
Yes, this car will be used for daily driving.
I have had azenis, and to be honest, the sucky tread life makes it pointless, for me, especially since it costs 60 to mount them.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by chris1866 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">It truly depends on what you are looking for.
For strictly autox use (and maybe a little bit of DD) you have to go with the Azenis 615s or the Hankook Z212s. These will be fine for DD.......if you dont mind buying a new set every 10k miles. (which i personally wasn't willing to do).
The Toyo T1-R is more of a "compromise" tire. It is mainly good for street driving, but you can use it on the autox course and for HPDEs and stuff and they won't let you down.
I personally chose the T1-Rs because, even though i am aware that i won't get the dry performance that comes with the Hankook and Azenis, i will get a tire that lasts for 20k + miles.........and to me, being in college, that is just more important.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Excellent comparison.

The T-1R is Toyo's top-of-the-line street tire - not quite as good as the best in the biz (Goodyear F1 GS-D3, Bridgestone S-03, etc), but less money (like the Kumho MX). It will grip well on dry pavement and wet pavement in street driving, and it will last a reasonably long time; 20K+ is a good estimate.

The Hankook Ventus R-S2 Z212 is, like the Falken RT-615, intended to be in between a top-of-the-line street tire and an R compound track tire. Grip is better than the T-1R but not as good as R compounds, and tread life is better than R compounds but not as good as street tires. 10K is a good guess.

Both are excellent tires; it just depends on your willingness to trade off performance vs treadlife, which depends on your priorities and how you plan to use them.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by MugenHonda &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Yes, this car will be used for daily driving.
I have had azenis, and to be honest, the sucky tread life makes it pointless, for me, especially since it costs 60 to mount them.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Then in your case, I would recommend the Toyo T1-R over the Z212. You might also consider the Goodyear F1 GS-D3, which performs even better and, depending on size, may not be all that much more money.