acura ls = 127 torque gs-r = 128 torque

so what makes the acura ls faster off the line if they both have the same torque? does ls have like front end vtec or some type ****?

 

when vtec hits.. its over.. lol nah i seriously don't know.. well up because i wanna know also.

 

true that...id like to know as well

 

the ls has a longer stroke. 89mm vs 87.2
a longer stroke will make more tq and hp at a lower rpm. the gsr only makes more torque when the ls already stops making power. the bigger stroke also makes the engine bigger 1797cc's vs 1834
this is why ppl put ls cranks in b seris vtec motors

 

Like ^ is saying; the B18b engine hit max torque at 5200 rpm vs the GSR's max torque at 6200 rpm. So I guess that's why LS's can pull on a GSR for the first few feet.

Of course, driver skill plays a huge role. A LS can pull on a GSR if the driver of the LS has more experience. A LS can do 0-60 in 7.6 vs a 7.2 for a GSR. That's not a very big difference at all...

 

interesting facts... for daily driving., does GSR pulls more in the inner streets??

 

ur not looking at the whole torque spec...in the ls u make peak torque at a lower rpm as opposed to the gs-r. this is why many people do the lsvtec combo because the ls "makes" more torque

 

LS HAS BIGGER PISTONS COMPARED TO A GSR.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by HONDA RR &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">LS HAS BIGGER PISTONS COMPARED TO A GSR.</TD></TR></TABLE>

ummmmmm no

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by HONDA RR &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">LS HAS BIGGER PISTONS COMPARED TO A GSR.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Definitely not.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by riceball777 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">the ls has a longer stroke. 89mm vs 87.2
a longer stroke will make more tq and hp at a lower rpm. the gsr only makes more torque when the ls already stops making power. the bigger stroke also makes the engine bigger 1797cc's vs 1834
this is why ppl put ls cranks in b seris vtec motors </TD></TR></TABLE>

This is correct. A small difference, but a large difference in the power curves. Two driver's being the same in a GSR versus an LS, the LS will be ahead of the GSR until 3rd gear.

This is where the common joke phrase, "m4d 3rD g34r vt4ck" comes in. "3rd gear Vtec" is where the GSR shines and pulls away from the LS, and other non-Vtec/slower Honda variants.

 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by riceball777 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">the ls has a longer stroke. 89mm vs 87.2
a longer stroke will make more tq and hp at a lower rpm. the gsr only makes more torque when the ls already stops making power. the bigger stroke also makes the engine bigger 1797cc's vs 1834
this is why ppl put ls cranks in b seris vtec motors </TD></TR></TABLE>

 

Thanks for the info I didn't even know that! It's funny how a 2.8 mm stroke difference could change the whole outcome of a race lolz.

 

GSR runs a better 0-60 and 1/4 mile

 

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So if its experienced drivers in both ? lol i just dont get this
Thats how close it is ?! LS can do 0-60 in 7.6 vs a 7.2 for a GSR
Or is that with good / bad drivers ?

 

LS hits its TQ peak before teh GSR pulling up on it theoretically, Now the LS also has longer gears meaning you go a lil faster in each gear, I think GSR will pull on the LS but I pull on my buddies 99SI vtec in my LS untill I shift to 3rd then he pulls on me I think GSR vs LS would be GSR after 1st gear but LS will take the jump Just IMHO

 

now, if you add a GSR transmission to an LS, you could probably call it an even race. this is why i don't believe for a minute that the GSR engine is better than the LS engine. 21% more power should be able to trounce another car, but in LS vs. GSR it doesn't. that should tell you something about how much it sucks to have a super-peaky powerband.

 

The GSR DOESN'T have a super peaky powerband. It is pretty much the LS powerband up until 4400 rpm (minus a bit due to lack of stroke), where the torque stays constant until redline or so.

A GSR tranny on an LS will NOT make it an even race.
After the initial pull up to each engine's powerband, you will have the LS going back and up to 104kw, and the GSR up to 125kw... Do the maths.. THe area under the curve of the GSR will be MUCH more.

 

GSR has higher redline which = out the longer gears in the LS

 

It seems LS owners always seem to think b18b&gt;b18c1

Even with a the same tranny the GSR wins. Go to http://www.car-stats.com and look at the 95 GSR.

0-60 6.5 from C&D
1/4 mile 15.2 C&D

 

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yea no...thats the b20<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by nas4420 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">acura ls = 127 torque gs-r = 128 torque

so what makes the acura ls faster off the line if they both have the same torque? does ls have like front end vtec or some type ****?</TD></TR></TABLE>


i was one hmotoronline.com and it said that the usdm b18c1 has 121tq and the jdm version has 127tq. i dunno i always see different variations to the number out puts.<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by maggsgsr &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">It seems LS owners always seem to think b18b&gt;b18c1

Even with a the same tranny the GSR wins. Go to http://www.car-stats.com and look at the 95 GSR.

0-60 6.5 from C&D
1/4 mile 15.2 C&D</TD></TR></TABLE>

yea and it says the 93 gsr is 0-60 in 6.4 and a 1/4 in 15.1

so whats your point? the cars weight the same and one ha a weaker engine. i have seen and heard of ls stock(no mods) going into the low- mid 15.'s. its not that all ls owners think the ls is faster...they just understand that the car is not that much slower....hell ive taken my share of gsr's with my ls. hell if you look at it that way the gsr;s are still slow.

i remember one day...a few years ago when i did my share of street racing...i raced a gsr and the passenger was all out the window saying...JOO Ain'T g0T Vt@K Yo!&lt;&lt;&lt;while they were doing a ricer fly by. i lined up to the line with them, light turned green and my ls hoped on them and stayed there until i hit 70 and then i stoped...it wasnt mych of a lead but i had it. also i had 3 passengers the gsr had 2.

i happen to like the ls engines, its funny when ppl ask if you got vtec when you get them on the track. i also see myself as a pretty good driver, im not saying if i lined up with someone in a gsr with equal skill levels to me id win....i just know there are a lot of sry drivers out there

 

as for the GSR not being much faster, that's where i agree. you may say "oh, well, LS with GSR trans isn't as fast as GSR" but you have to remember that the LS is lighter, at least early ones are. my '95 has full interior now and a spare and everything and it's still 2550lbs wet. that and i'm only 155lbs after a meal, so combine those two, add a GSR trans and you've got a car that could hit similar numbers as a GSR. LS w/ GSR transmission really is pretty good IMO.
now, that said, GSR's do respond better to mods. that is to say, mod for mod the GSR will pick up more power than the LS. that's the good part for GSR owners. LS's need cams and a few more revs to get back to even with GSR's. good thing for us those parts are pretty cheap, espcially compared to similar parts for a GSR, and compared to a VTEC head swap or a GSR engine swap. LS isn't king of fast, just king of 90% as fast for ~50% of the money or less.

 

Never had a ls pull me past first gear and never had one with boltons like i have get anywhere near low nines in the 1/8 at the track. Its simply not going to happen. Now put slicks on the ls maybe the story would be different but still close.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 95lstegman &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">as for the GSR not being much faster, that's where i agree. you may say "oh, well, LS with GSR trans isn't as fast as GSR" but you have to remember that the LS is lighter, at least early ones are. my '95 has full interior now and a spare and everything and it's still 2550lbs wet. that and i'm only 155lbs after a meal, so combine those two, add a GSR trans and you've got a car that could hit similar numbers as a GSR. LS w/ GSR transmission really is pretty good IMO.
now, that said, GSR's do respond better to mods. that is to say, mod for mod the GSR will pick up more power than the LS. that's the good part for GSR owners. LS's need cams and a few more revs to get back to even with GSR's. good thing for us those parts are pretty cheap, espcially compared to similar parts for a GSR, and compared to a VTEC head swap or a GSR engine swap. LS isn't king of fast, just king of 90% as fast for ~50% of the money or less.</TD></TR></TABLE>

 

the closest race if, LS w/itr tranny i/h/e VS stock gsr...

then it would be pretty even....

 

just to add my two cents i have a 95 Ls and I've beaten a couple of gsr's. And even though they do respond better to mods its not some huge number, don't get me wrong more is more im just saying. but up against a driver of close to equal driving skill i don't think I'll lose by much. I've raced a gsr that had I/H/E and a stage two clutch and I had I/H/E and a clutch on the way out and he got me by only like a car maybe a hair or two more. And i agree with the statement that we don't think we(LS owners) don't think we are faster we just know we can win every now and then.