Ok guys.....just what the topic says.

Now that the season is over. what rules would you like to see changed or left alone.

And please specify the class and why.

I figure since NHRA and NOPI are on this forum frequently.It would be nice to give them guys some input in advance so no one is crying when the final rules come out.

This forum is our voice. so lets hear how everyone feels and thinks.

 

WWEETT SSUUMMPPSS

 

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for what class or classes??

 

i would like to see the tech depts. actually do something for a change. i dont know how many records got broken this year and i didnt see a single car get inspected.

then something needs to be done in hotrod/P4c cause watching gm win all but one event this year hasnt been all that exciting. yeah everyone will say shep went 7's but until he can do it 7 rounds in one weekend something needs to be done.

i like what the nhra did in modified. i understand it sucks for paulie and justin but it made racing much better in that class, for now.

i will add more when i have some more time.

 

air-water intercoolers in sfwd/pro am turbo. probably not gonna happen but i'd like it to.

 

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what about more events in the midwest or even middle of the country

 

Most of my suggestions are for nhra- sfwd class, but some pertain to ndra.

nhra sfwd-- my suggestions are to let you run interior, i.e. door cards, carpet, dash, gauges. however, these items do no have to be oem- also, who cares about rear interior. no one will sit there anyways due to the cage.

i understand that the "full oem interior" rule is there to keep people from running just a tach and a seat. but have some leniancy and use your head when teching in a car. if the person can make the dash/doors/interior look liek a street car, then let it run.


ndra and nhra street tire class
legalize bias plys for fwd cars w/ the understanding that if you run them, then all 4 tires need to be bias ply so your not mixing and matching radial and bias ply.

and finally an exhaust rule (i cant remember the sanctioning body, but this rule stands out in my head becasue an exhaust system that is dot emission legal, is not track legal for the class. in the sanctioning body's rulebook, it states exhasut has to exit in oem location.

I suggest that this rule be changed to what is most states emission law MINIMUM requirement-- which is that teh exhaust must exit ATLEAST past the furthest edge of the door(s). Example-- if you hav a 2 door car, then the exhaust can be side exit dumped as long as it goes past the rear most edge of the door. On a 4 door, it must be behind the rear most edge of the rear door. basically, this allows you to run a side exit exhaust, as long as the exhaust is dumped past the drivers comppartment.

thats all i can think of for right now.. im sure i will have more suggestions.

 

the addition of a power street style class in the NHRA and the power street class in the NDRA fix the unfair advantage the AWD guys have. I dunno how you will do it but some of those cars this weekend should have been in turbo 4

 

how about weight mins. in sportsman all motor class' to even up the playing field for the slower cars. this would greatly improve turnout for these class'.

 

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why?? they tell you exactly what you can remove from the car, this should keep the weights pretty close

 

sfwd- no approved tire list, more of a run what you brung thing like in T4

overall- make the t4 and sfwd rulebook a bit more similar so we dont have to change setups between events since most of us participate in both t4 and sfwd.

 

because you can get a gutted crx about 300 lbs. lighter than a 5th or 6th gen civic, and when your running 11s it makes a huge difference.ask me how i know! dont get me wrong, im not in favor of weight mins. for my own benifit because it wuld actually hurt me. im in favor of them because it would help the sport grow by allowing the average guy to be more competitive in a class that right now looks too intimidating for a "true" street car to enter.i belive there would be a better car count in these class' if the playing field was a little more level.

 

there's a simple soultion to that problem... dont race a 4dr integra in Comp4, thats why there are 300$ crx and hatch shells laying around everywhere

 

who has a four dr integra? yes you could find crx shells cheap, but what about the guy down the street who has a hatch w/ a swap and wants to enter an event but is turned off by all the 11 second cars he cant even come close to competing against.

 

I have worked my *** off to get my RSX down to 2400lbs with me in it. There is really not a whole that further that I can go. I won't race that car in the NOPI class because of the lack of a weight limit. I also will not race a CRX, it doesn't fit the image of my sponsors or my race team.

What I would like to see, there should be weight minimums in every heads up class as well a displacement maximums that are actually checked durning tech.

 

thats what the brackets are for. dont slow everyone down b/c someone is trying to race out of their league.... i bet they are gona be really mad when people start running 10's in that class

 

do you race in our class?

 

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Heads up drag racing isn't cheap. If money is an issue bracket racing is you solution, but as far as heads up, money usually prevails.

I know is wont happen but I would like to see the HR/P4C class go back to the rules that they used to have. Stock H shifted trans or automatics that are actually from the car that they are racing, no bigger than a 26" tall slick, no Xtracs or sequential boxes ,increase the minimum weight. I know this wont happen but it would be nice to see this class a little more competitive next year.

 

I also agree with Brent. The techs at NOPI need to do a little better jobs. Not to point out a single person, but Paul Bwahan was just DQ'd at the e-town race, then came to the NOPI race in Norwalk and ran his best passs ever. Did NOPI tech this car??? Fuel check??? Im not trying to single just this car out, because all cars need to be checked, but its just the first one that came to mind

 

trust me, i know its not cheap! i am one of the front runners in our class, and yet im still in favor of limits. reason being, it will help the sport grow, there will be a bigger car count, and less complaints about not having a full payout per class.it would be great to see more cars in our class, and im sure there would be if the class wasnt getting so fast.the faster it gets, the less cars there will be competing. and running consistant 10s isnt going to help things. remember im talking about sportsman class' , faster isnt always better if you want the sport to grow.

 

There needs to be more differentiation kept between T4, P4C, and ProFWD.

T4: 26 inch tire, full interior, air-air intercooler. Just a street car with a cage in it. I think it is pretty fair as it is. AWD must run drag radial, not full slick. Needs to be a 9.50 class and slower.

P4C/Hot Rod: Cost of racing needs to come down. Shifting must be a function of the driver, H pattern in stock case only. Needs to be an 8.30-8.70 class. Not a 7.7 class. No air shocks and factory wheelbase must REMAIN!!!

Pro FWD: Wheelbase limit only. Run what you brung. Use Marty's car as the model.

Pro all motor classes, leave it alone. Maybe add a little weight to the K series cars until others catch up on the technology. Then remove the weight penalty.

 

i agree there should be some adjustments
lets face it in Power street there is no way a fwd can compete with a Awd even if car is a few hundred pounds lighter, if they both make the same power, awd still has a hell of an advantage, i do realize they brake more often, but there is not going to be many FWD drag radial cars running mid 10s, hell we just got the first one in the 10s now, i hope i can get there too, but we shall see

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T4: 26 inch tire, full interior, air-air intercooler. Just a street car with a cage in it. I think it is pretty fair as it is. AWD must run drag radial, not full slick. Needs to be a 9.50 class and slower.

P4C/Hot Rod: Cost of racing needs to come down. Shifting must be a function of the driver, H pattern in stock case only. Needs to be an 8.30-8.70 class. Not a 7.7 class. No air shocks and factory wheelbase must REMAIN!!!

Pro FWD: Wheelbase limit only. Run what you brung. Use Marty's car as the model.

Pro all motor classes, leave it alone. Maybe add a little weight to the K series cars until others catch up on the technology. Then remove the weight penalty.

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well put. the hotrod cars should not be going faster than the pro4 cars. i think stock style tranny is a great idea. garys car should just run in pro4. T4's pretty damn good the way it sits. i think air/air intercoolers should have to be there...and if they are going to allow air/water units they should ATLEAST be required to run a heat exchanger. im still predicting EVO's to run the class next year. the 1g 2g dsms have shown that they can go fast....but can't seem to cut good lights b/c if they dont launch the car exactly perfect the drive train falls off. the evo's seem to be a little more reliable than the older stuff.....i dont know about you guys, but even if i wanted to go buy a stock evo there's no way i could affored it. its kind of cool to see the newer cars being raced, but its out of MY budget.

both of the T4 cars that were running the fastest times were both heavy cars (brian/jasons coupe and matt's integra) i dont think weight really plays a big roll in that class as much as it would in the all motor class.

power street.....something needs to happen. awd and fwd on radials just isnt fair at all. i dont know what to sugest here really, but it would be pretty much effortless to grab a 1g talon throw some pistons rods cams and a turbo on it and go plast mid 10 second passs's. there are t4 guys on slicks that are struggling to run those times. hell put all the awd cars in t4 and bump up the payout or something. t4 has 16 car feild pretty much every race, wouldnt hurt to throw a few more dollars to the winners.

 

Hey Brent we value almost everyones opionion, but listen to them all.
I for one am sorry that you were not around when turbos were checked, or when engines were pumped, but that does not mean that it did not happen.
Just ask Norris if he did not get pumped in Maryland, ask Justin and Paul if they had thier turbos measured several times, ask Gary G. how many turbos he pulled apart to have the wheels measured.
Brent I guess it is hard to see what goes on in other racers pits when you are'nt around or it is not happening to a team you are involved in. I guess it is unfortunate for you that you run in Pro Stock and don't hang out at the end of the track all weekend like the tech crews get to do.
One thing to remember also Brent, it is up to the Tech Director(Me) and the Race Director(Bobby) on whether or not someone is torn down without a protest, not the racers and the crews.

Yes, they did tech his car in his pits early Sat AM, and his turbo was legal for competition in the NDRA. Fuel on the other hand was a problem this weekend with the temps being so cold, have you ever seen what the specific gravity of Methanol is when it is 40-50 degreees? It is almost impossible to get an accurate reading. It can be done once the Methanol has gotten to room temperature, but this weekend we did not have the ambient temperature to do that.

On a side note, there will be very few rule changes in 2006. We will tweek some of the current rules, but no wholesale changes like last season.

 

I think the tech guys do a good job. They are not there to be **** police. We have enough trouble having enough cars at races to start tearing everyone's cars apart. That costs money, and racing is more expensive than ever right now. I think tech does a good job keeping an eye out. If you feel someone is bending the rules, protest. Don't you think Paul might have rearranged some things after making the long trip to NHRA and being DQ'ed? Don't hate on someone for having their **** together. That car was competitive with most of the class. If Gary's car wasn't there, there would have been some close *** racing.

Just because people are doing well doesn't mean they are cheating. Racing is all about finding those limits and getting the upper hand.