I am looking in to getting some sway bars for my 93 eg hatch (CX model=no sway bars). I will be using the car for autocross events about twice a month, and it is my daily driver. I will be buying the a-spec racing sway bar reinforcement for insurance. I have tockico illuminas and eibach prokit springs. I have crazy understeer and it sucks.

Here are my ?'s:

1. What size bars should I be looking for, should front and back be the same size or should front be bigger than rear? How big is too big?

2. Do I need to be worried about ground clearance or anything?

3. What brand would be good, or what brands to avoid more like?

4. Good place to buy?

I am kind of new to the sway bar stuff, I know what they do and all, but dont know the technical stuff about them. I understand the thicker/stronger they are the less flex they give. That is about were it ends. I assume that you would want less flex in the front because that is were the weight is.

Thanks for the help

 

big back, no front.

 

not very helpful... no size, what is the reasoning no front and big back, and I am not sure, but wouldnt that make my car pretty unbalanced?

anyone else?

 

I have a GSR front sway bar with a Comptech rear bar on my EG that I Autocross. I have heard a lot of people say to run with no front bar. Though I have found with my setup I can run the car neutral or set it up with some oversteer.

John

 

Seeing as this is your DD you might not want to go as agressive with your rear sway size as you would if this was only a track/weekend car. The larger the rear sway (in relation to the front sway) the more it will tend to oversteer.

Like someone said some Auto-X run no front w/ a rear to create oversteer. I dont know how agressive you want to be with your set up so I will throw some sizes out there just to get started.

Front OEM bars- i dont know much about these besides the one on my 96 EX is around 22mm. I like this size in relation to the rear OEM bars avalible.

Rear OEM Bars- 13mm 99-00 Si, 14mm GSR, 15 Del Sol SI(?), 19mm RSX-S, 22mm USDM ITR, 23mm JDM ITR(?)


I would try (since you are going to use the reinforcment brace) a 22mm front w/ the 22mm ITR rear. This should be pretty balanced and many people run this setup. If you want to go more mild the 19mm bar from RSX-S might be for you. If you wanted to be more agressive I think Mugen makes a 26mm or something like that rear bar.

I am also trying to decide what rear sway to get for my car for DD and maybe I will get into a little Auto-X. Just trying to throw some things out there. Hope it helps.

 

thanks, that helps alot. And as far as having no front bar and a big rear bar to get oversteer, oversteer is only fun in a rear wheel drive car, not my civic, IMHO. Besides, going sideways makes your time slower. But to each his own I guess. If I want oversteer, I will mess with my illuminas.

I think I will go with the suspension technique sway bar kit. It is like $270 on ebay for both the front and the rear. Anyone hear anything good or bad about ST?

 

Oversteer isn't the same as drifting though.

 

true, but if your backside is sliding, you would be going slower around the corner, either way, I dont want a bunch of oversteer

 

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What are the diameters of the ST sway bar kit? (yea im too lazy to search for it)

It sounds like you would be happy w/ a 22mm front and either 19mm or 22mm rear. This would give you more neutral handling and you would not be sliding the back end all over the place.

As you said you dont want to drift through the corners but I dont think an equal front and rear sway bar setup would do that. Neither extreme oversteer or extreme understeer is desirable for what you want to do.

 

the ST kit is 19mm front and back, I thought it was bigger than that, but owell. It is not a bad deal. Any suggestions of a kit that has 22mm front and back. I am looking at a budget of no more than $400, preferably around $300-$350.

 

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Thats not bad, its balenced. I do not have any impressions of it but maybe others can add opinions of that kit. It is same front and rear diameter so you should get that balanced feel.

As far as a 22mm set up all around the front sway on my 96 EX coupe (and therefore i assume all 96-00 EX coupes, maybe more) is 22mm and the rear bar from a USDM ITR is 22mm. I would imagine you would be able to gether this equipment for cheeper than what you mentioned. Unless of course you had something against getting OEM parts. I cant see the downside to it though.

 

how would I go about mounting OEM sway bars when my car doesnt have preexisting mounting holes? That would be the only down side.

 

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Holes would need to be drilled very very accuratly or I *think* you could swap in some LCAs from whatever cars the sway bars are coming from.

I guess I havent looked at the ST kit but why wouldnt hole need to be drilled for that kit as well? I dont see how it could mount withouth holes. Ima go look it up now


edit: just looked the bars up and I cannot tell if they mount in a way where you dont need hole but Im not sure.

If you do decide to go with them check out this site.... scroll down to your car... on sale for $281. (Part #52161)
http://www.upgrademotoring.com...a.htm

 

for rear sway mounting you can run itr rear lca's or even some aftermarket shortened lca's i wouldnt drill them persoanlly. as for oversteer being slower in fwd i wouldnt go that far for autoX. the thing with autoX speeds is that you wont see very much oversteer unless you have a very aggressive setup. my car in autox drives like a snow plow. but on backroad and bigger track speeds i tend to get lift oversteer alot. as a side note the national autoX champ for canada drives an EG with no front sway and a beefy rear sway. try this 22 and 22 setup the other guys are talking about because it wil lend you more balance on the autoX altho the oversteer may be a bit to get used to if you do canyon runs etc.

 

I know they sell kits that are for cars that do not have OEM bars, but what is the difference between those kits and the kits that are for cars that already have bars. How do they mount up(kits for cars without OEM bars)?

 

get dc2/dc4 lcas

 

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yea I would imagine that no matter what swaybar you use you would need holes in your LCA's. You should be able to get them out of pretty much any Civic or Integra I would imagine (not 100% sure though). I would be wary of drilling holes in the stock LCA's.

 

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The front sway bar for non-factory sway bar equiped civics is 22mm on the ST kit.


Modified by EK4civichatch at 2:59 AM 10/20/2005

 

use sway bar mounting brackets from a GSR and the sway bar should work nicely with it. As for LCA's never drill holes for sway bar end link mounting, it will ruin the integrity of the metal. Go with some omni LCA's or megan racing, they have holes for sway bar end links. With the GSR mounting brackets you could also upgrade from the stock GSR bar the the Type R bar that is 23mm. Good luck on your picks.

 

Old post but I may help out a new searcher.

I used Si 22mm front sway bar with it's front lcas (only part of the lca is needed, not the part that connects to the shock and wheels). For the rear, I used usdm itr 22mm rear sway bar with gsr lca. I think that ASR subframe reenforcement kit is the best for the money. I've seen damage with tie bars and the breaks kit.

The handling is completely neutral, even with an h22a sitting up front. Everything came up to approx $250, that includes A brand new ASR rear subframe kit, si front lcas with it's swaybar, brand new mounting bolts and front swaybar to lca connecter, Gsr rear lcas and usdm itr sway bar.

I think that this is the best $250 I've spent of the car as of yet.

 

and what class do you run with a ASR subframe?


by the way the ST rear sway bar connecs at the the struts

 

I'd look into a 22mm CTR or ITR rear sway and a smaller front sway.

But before doing that, i'd get rid of the Eibach's and get ground-control coil-overs with some rates such as 300f/400r (since its a daily driver). The spring upgrade will probably make more of a difference then sway bars alone. Or, get GC with 300f, and then get 2 sets of rear springs, 400r for daily driving, and 600r for auto-x that way you can just change them out if you want to get that hardcore into it.

I have a 23mm front (or 24, i can't remember) and a 22mm CTR rear. I'm running the rear with stock springs/shocks (for winter) and it still lends a big hand to the handling, but i'd definately loose the Eibach's, they are not a big handling improvement spring as much as they are cosmetic and compliant ride

oh, and matching sway bars will work, as will having the front alittle bigger. OEM are cheaper then ST or others, so why not just price OEM Acura/Honda (ITR or CTR and SI front). Good call with the ASR brace, I have Beaks kit right now but am ordering the ASR monday! you can never have enough cheap insurance = peace of mind

and although people may recommend no front bar, i always recommend against that for a daily driven car. For daily driving you want predictable handling and nice handling if you like to play, its only 2 end-links to disconnect for auto-x, so i always recommend atleast having the front on the street

 

HEY!!! My thread is back! Sweet!

Yeah, my lazy *** still hasnt gotten around to the sway bars and what not for my car, since AutoX season is over till spring. But that is coming up soon, so I will be working on that.

And are you guys pulling those OEM bars from the junkyard, or from the dealership. Surely it is the junkyard, right?

I plan to get some Teg LCA's. I assume I would need the front and rear pair. Those are direct swap-in's, right? With those I shouldnt have any problems swapping in whatever sway bars I get, right?

 

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I thought the front st sway bar is 26mm because its 1inch and the rear a little over 19mm because its 3/4 of an inch. Please let me know if this is correct.

 

yes, for an EG, the rear is 19mm and the front is either 19 or 25.5(ish)mm depending on if the car came with a front swaybar stock, the 25.5 is if it did come with one