I was expecting to run my car this weekend @ norwwalk( it cracked a sleeve before i can go), now jim hucks owning this class with a 10.7 or something like that, but thats now crushed by an evo, i saw like a 10.3 or something like that, i was going to try and build a car for this class but now that someone can potentially break into the 9's i decided against it..any thoughts?

 

dont be scared. just because u can't get first every event is no reason not to compete. there's always gonna be someone faster then you. look what happened in the t4 class. 2 dsm's were in the low-mid 9's in qualifying but both ended up having problems and neither of them made it to the finals. i say go build that car and break some personal records.

 

im prob just gonna try to build a t4 car, 8's seem more achiveable with a t4 car then 9s on street tires...

 

honestly those EVO's were super reliable. the one that won the event raced me first round. we were talking and he usually drives the car to and from the events. unless the FWD guys can use bias ply DOT tires I don't think the class will have any FWD's trying it.

My only complaint about the set up is that there should be a RWD/AWD street tire class and a FWD street tire class and cut out some of the super long open sessions. all in all I had a blast but there is no way to compete with those EVO's on BFG's

 

Where were these DSM's the rest of the season when the class never had a full field? If they made a seperate AWD class there would be 0-3 cars the whole season. Nopi will not fund a class like that. A Honda won the points race and most of the events this season. DSM's did well in one event now the Honda guys are saying it's not fair.

The class had rules set a while back for both classes, It never became a issue until the DSM guys put the power down and started walking on the FWD's. Sure AWD vs. FWD is not fair but until more people start coming to the events they will be running together.

 

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defiantly dont decide not to build a car because of another car

 

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If your building a new car for the class, why go with a FWD when a AWD will
dominate. Go for a Mitsu.

Steve

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by nsxmatt &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Where were these DSM's the rest of the season when the class never had a full field? If they made a seperate AWD class there would be 0-3 cars the whole season. Nopi will not fund a class like that. A Honda won the points race and most of the events this season. DSM's did well in one event now the Honda guys are saying it's not fair.

The class had rules set a while back for both classes, It never became a issue until the DSM guys put the power down and started walking on the FWD's. Sure AWD vs. FWD is not fair but until more people start coming to the events they will be running together. </TD></TR></TABLE>

I totally agree, but the mid west is the place where the DSM's live. Buschur and AMS were there in full force.

ITR206 said at the beginning of the year when the DSM guys see this class at events and realize it is there they are goin to run it period. I wouldn't be suprised to see some larger teams from faster classes throw a AWD together and run mid 11's to high 10's all day. It really isn't hard to get a DSM to be competitive in this class.

My only suggestion is if they can't make a FWD only drag radial class then they should allow us FWD guys to run Bias plys to make up for the huge gap the AWD guys have on us. I mean honestly I did a 1.86 60ft this weekend and was really happy till the next pass I raced an EVO that ripped off a 1.5 60ft. don't get me wrong this is true street car/street tire class and I will continue to run it because honestly I have a better shot than in turbo 4, but would love to see a few slight rule changes.

 

The EVOs were there because there were 3 DSM/EVO specific shops there showing off their stuff. Those cars are a pretty big deal here in the Midwest. I know I LOVE mine

Don't expect to see those cars traveling around to all the events.


Modified by 4piston at 10:48 PM 10/16/2005

 

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well the guy from AMS I talked to said he does indy and norwalk no matter what. next year there are at least a good 3 races in their driving range and AMS I am sure will go to a whole lot next year. buschur probably won't but AMS will I am sure

 

abias bly tire like the et street is hardly any different than a slick.if you do that,then you are probably gonna have to run nines. the awd cars must run a regular street tire,not a drag radial,but that still doesn't even the playing field.you can get some pretty sticky tires that are not considered drag radials.there is a local guy in my area that runs mid ten's on cheap tires and drives it to and from the track.i don't know what the answer is unless they make a awd/rwd class.the only problem with that is there is usually not enough turnout already in power street,especially if you split it up by fwd/rwd.i think we are just screwed.i have pretty much decided to just run turbo4.running slicks is more fun anyway

 

I mean the winner in power street this weekend would have been in the top 10 in turbo 4 the way the car sat.

ohh well it was still fun

 

t4 it is next year sammy, 28x9" slicks, 1.4 60'

vince in the all motor car was going 1.5 everytime,

 

they should let fwd have the hit

 

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what a 2 second hit

 

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Joe remember I still have a 2800lb car with AC and PS. unless I find someone to help me out on parts there is no way I could run competitivly in T4. Anyone want to sponsor a full weight integra

 

i gotta hatch shell in my back yard,

but a d series in the type r and race the hatch

 

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nah my race car will be a full street car too. I would like to get a trailor or a dolly for next year though

 

Actually I would just continue to run Powerstreet.

I think this event was an eye opener around the country for DSM and there isn't much you can do with them. Allowing a Bias-Ply DOT tire might get the FWD somewhat closer, but if a DSM dips into the 9's then something has to be done.

What about a class index?

I've said it before, NHRA Super Gas and IHRA Quick Rod are all 9.90 index with pretty much no rules.

Maybe its time for compacts to use some of these tricks to equalized competition.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by dj4monie &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> Actually I would just continue to run Powerstreet.

I think this event was an eye opener around the country for DSM and there isn't much you can do with them. Allowing a Bias-Ply DOT tire might get the FWD somewhat closer, but if a DSM dips into the 9's then something has to be done.

What about a class index?

I've said it before, NHRA Super Gas and IHRA Quick Rod are all 9.90 index with pretty much no rules.

Maybe its time for compacts to use some of these tricks to equalized competition.


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yeah I think if your car runs under 10.7's or so you should be forced to run turbo 4

 

fwd should be able to run the mickey thompson and m&h drag radial,but not the bias ply et street and such

 

i think they should just move the awd's into t4 and that would be fair

 

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yup. I was thinking that this weekend. there were maybe 3 AWD's that wouldn't have made the 16 car field this weekend.

 

Since we are saying what we think, I think if you weigh under 2600# you should have to run a pro class, and under 2800# T4. No one was saying jack until all the DSM's showed up. I think they should make a honda only class and everybody who whines about having to compete against other cars should run that class.

 

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first off the factory weight on most hondas (civic HB and crx) is under 2400lbs but, i do think there should be some rule changes though, because a FWD radial car will not 60 foot much better than a low 1.8's or hi 1.7's (best case). my best is 1.88 , and that is on a good prepped track.