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Old Oct 16, 2005 | 01:35 AM
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i'm toying between buying a 94-97 GSR or a 98-01 LS, for roughly the same price. a few questions for the integra guys. i've been a civic driver for the last 4-5 years, so excuse my ignorance.

(a) is $8,000 too much to pay for a bone stock, mint condition 98 LS with 78k miles?

(b) is there a gas mileage difference between the LS and GS-R? my research says no, but i can't swallow this as true.

(c) GS-R takes 91 octane, LS takes 87, correct?

(d) is it just weird not having VTEC in the LS, or does it really not even matter? is it worth the extra couple of thousand to get a 98+ GSR that has VTEC and the extra HP?

thanks for any info. has anyone gone from LS to GSR or vice versa? what are your thoughts?
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Old Oct 16, 2005 | 02:30 AM
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hey my #1 advice to u.. get the GSR it is way more reliable. i would definitely get a 94 gsr obd1 and try to convert it to the 98 looks. u can go LS/Vtec by adding a vtec head like a b16 or GSR, but it wouldnt be as reliable.. i woulda get the GSR n a heartbeat over LS anyday
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Old Oct 16, 2005 | 04:54 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by tekneshum &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">hey my #1 advice to u.. get the GSR it is way more reliable. i would definitely get a 94 gsr obd1 and try to convert it to the 98 looks. u can go LS/Vtec by adding a vtec head like a b16 or GSR, but it wouldnt be as reliable.. i woulda get the GSR n a heartbeat over LS anyday</TD></TR></TABLE>

wow. way biased opinion huh?

anyways, the gsr is not more relaible then a LS. It all depends on what you want to do with your car. I can say do a search that would help you. if you want to build up your car, I would get a ls and turbo.
If you want to leave your car stock, just get a gsr. Both are fun though. I would get the 98+ gsr personally cause it will probably have lower miles and the bumpers that everyone wants. Good luck though.
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Old Oct 16, 2005 | 05:48 AM
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answered your questions within your quote:

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by surfrider &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i'm toying between buying a 94-97 GSR or a 98-01 LS, for roughly the same price. a few questions for the integra guys. i've been a civic driver for the last 4-5 years, so excuse my ignorance.

(a) is $8,000 too much to pay for a bone stock, mint condition 98 LS with 78k miles? Yes

(b) is there a gas mileage difference between the LS and GS-R? my research says no, but i can't swallow this as true. Yes...your city gas mileage will be better with the LS...highway is about the same

(c) GS-R takes 91 octane, LS takes 87, correct? yes,correct

(d) is it just weird not having VTEC in the LS, or does it really not even matter? is it worth the extra couple of thousand to get a 98+ GSR that has VTEC and the extra HP? best bang for the buck is a 94-95 integra gsr in good shape....cause it's obd1 and can be had for around $5000

thanks for any info. has anyone gone from LS to GSR or vice versa? what are your thoughts? I've gone from LS to GSR....I wonder why i didn't change over sooner...aside from a turbo setup, the LS is underpowered and not much fun since it lacks the 8200rpm rev limit ....but everything else is nearly the same between the LS and GSR</TD></TR></TABLE>
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Old Oct 16, 2005 | 07:59 AM
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I'd go with the LS... I drive an LS, it's turbocharged though but I drove my friends civic si when it was stock... I didn't feel or hear vtec kick in, it wasn't much faster then my LS was stock. I don't think its worth the extra money, save the extra money and turbo or mod the LS. Plus you don't have to waste the money on higher octane gas, and the LS get's better gas mileage. Chances are if you buy an LS with low miles it wasn't beat on near as much as a GSR, plus the 98-01 front end looks much better(you mentioned the GSR being 94-97). My friend with the Si now has intake, header, and exhaust and it sounds real nice when it hits vtec but in all honesty its really not that fast... I've never been in a GSR so I can't compare to that but the civic Si is compareable to it, less torque.
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Old Oct 16, 2005 | 08:27 AM
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i go gsr over the ls anyday. When you want more power, you want to start out with a car that has more power already. PLus i love the 8.2k rev limit. Save yourself some money and get the gsr, cause in the future if you want vtec..omg...you got to do engine swap or ls/vtec and it is going to cost more than you getting a gsr from the start. Unless money is no issue than do whatever you want.
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Old Oct 16, 2005 | 08:28 AM
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Some other things to consider, the LS:
1 is usually cheaper to insure
2 is less of a target for theives
3 -turbo setup is cheaper and much faster than a stock or build NA GSR
4 more of a sleeper
5 cheaper using 87 octane saving big bucks over the long haul
6 earns more props when made fast for less

...also the LS engines are so cheap, they are considered disposibles in the turbo crowd...

I still love the GSR, but I own a RS
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Old Oct 16, 2005 | 08:34 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Sam92Teg &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Some other things to consider, the LS:
1 is usually cheaper to insure
2 is less of a target for theives
3 -turbo setup is cheaper and much faster than a stock or build NA GSR
4 more of a sleeper
5 cheaper using 87 octane saving big bucks over the long haul
6 earns more props when made fast for less

...also the LS engines are so cheap, they are considered disposibles in the turbo crowd...

I still love the GSR, but I own a RS </TD></TR></TABLE>

True, expletive the GSR, I have an LS, and I still keep up with GSr's
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Old Oct 16, 2005 | 08:48 AM
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I'd go with the GSR, but I also do own one. I test drove a few different Integra's before getting the one that I'm currently driving, and the interiors didn't seem quite as nice. Of course I'm not sure exactly what the LS is like inside, cause I only test drove and sat in a few GS's and RS's. But the GSR interior has the tweeters in the door above the arm rest and all, which doesn't make it amazingly better, but little things like that kind of add up. Like I said, I'm pretty new to Integra's and all so I don't know what all LS's have as far as options. I.E. Sunroof? Moonroof? So on so forth. If they do have all that kind of stuff and are basically a GSR but with a different engine, I'd go with your cashflow to decide. If you plan on continueing to get money in order to mod the car, then I'd go with the LS since you could do a LS/VTEC or turbo it. But if your just looking for something that you'll buy and put money in here and there, but never any amazingly huge amount, I'd go with the GSR. And as far as the gas milage I was on Team-Integra.net a day ago or so and I think that I saw that the GSR gets maybe 2 more MPG. And as far as $8000 being too much to pay, I'm not sure on that, but I got my '97 GSR for $8000, and it's pretty much mint, 1 owner, 84000 miles, stock as can be. I'd go GSR myself, but you could probably say I'm biased, and even though I'm trying not to be, your probably right.
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Old Oct 16, 2005 | 08:54 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by tekneshum &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">hey my #1 advice to u.. get the GSR it is way more reliable. i would definitely get a 94 gsr obd1 and try to convert it to the 98 looks. u can go LS/Vtec by adding a vtec head like a b16 or GSR, but it wouldnt be as reliable.. i woulda get the GSR n a heartbeat over LS anyday</TD></TR></TABLE>
spoken like a noob...


Get a GSR, if not you will just want to upgrade later.
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Old Oct 16, 2005 | 09:37 AM
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I dont think I have ever read as much misinformation on this entire site til I came to this thread.

The LS will have better low end and the GSR will have much better high end.
The GSR WILL be faster mod for mod.
The LS is cheaper on 99% of insurance companies.
The gas mileage difference between the 2 is VERY negligable.
The GSR will be more fun to drive if you plan on keeping either stock.
If you plan on modding either heavily I would get a 94-94 no matter what.
I wouldn't pay more than 7k for a used LS as you can get a used GSR for 8k if you look hard enough.
If you plan on turboing the LS you will have to use 91 octane anyways. If not its a whole 20 cents different between 91 and 87. MAYBE 2 bucks extra every time you fill up.
Everything will be be pretty much the exact same except for the engine and a tad bit better suspension.

If I were you. I would get a 95 LS for lower insurance. Put together a 2500 turbo system. Make 250 whp while being reliable. Upgrade to some nice coilovers like ksports for 800 bucks, and some random accessory **** for 2-3k and be done with it. That right there will put you in the 10k range all together and will be alot faster and SHOULD handle better than any other integra. But thats me
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Old Oct 16, 2005 | 09:51 AM
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id go with the ls....just because of the cheaper insurance. the only gsr i would own would be the 92-93 db2's. to me a gsr a gsr isnt worth the money...because its got Mad VtaK, they are more of a target to theifs then ls's, and there isnt much of a difference from 0-speedlimit. if you want vtec you can swap it in.

i still get 350+mi per tank with numerous redline thoughout the day
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Old Oct 16, 2005 | 10:24 AM
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i still get 350+mi per tank with numerous redline thoughout the day</TD></TR></TABLE>

damn....350?? i rarely get 250
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Old Oct 16, 2005 | 10:33 AM
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My guess is if your looking at getting a car that is only $8k, you probably don't have alot of money to mod the car. My advise is to see what you really want to do to the car down the road. If you do plan to go turbo, get the LS. If you can honestly say your not going to put that much into the motor, get the GSR.

If I had planned to go turbo I would have gone with an LS. My GSR is a daily driver so my mods to my engine are mild, and I couldn't be happier with it.
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Old Oct 16, 2005 | 10:46 AM
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damn....350?? i rarely get 250</TD></TR></TABLE>

lol, yea i keep my car up on things. i change spark plugs, filters and stuff like that often....the lowest ive got on a tank was 280...and that was along time ago with a messed up o2 sensor
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Old Oct 16, 2005 | 11:30 AM
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Get an LS. GS-Rs are one of the most stolen cars and the most stolen Honda along with the Civic SI.

GS-Rs are only a few tenths of a second faster than LSs stock.
They take 91 octane.
The insurance rate is higher.
They require more oil.
You'll need to install an alarm and LoJack immediately unless you want to get a shell back as a nice Thanksgiving/Christmas present.
Want to go fast?

LS with a nice $2000 turbo setup will smoke a GSR with cams/intake/header/exhaust/IM/tune any day.

Only guys and a few ladies care about the engine in your car. They won't nut over your LS, but they will over the GS-R. Do you want a bunch of random guys nutting on your car?

LS

(Personally, I have a built LS that has taken out several Type Rs (just for comparison). I love it, and its a nice daily driver. I don't worry that it won't be there after class or when I wake up in the morning. Everything is same, and I rev just as high as a GS-R, but with a better powerband. Cost? Around $1100 less than a stock GS-R of the same year costs KBB priced.)
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Old Oct 16, 2005 | 11:58 AM
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get wat appeals to u and wat ur wallet can afford. I owned an Integra LS before. it was a DA and I have to admit, my LS motor was pretty good, but after a while I swapped to a JDM B16A and it was way better. Now I own a 97 GSR and I love it. My buddy drives a 97 LS and its ok.....its ur choice man.

We could tell u do this, do that...but in th end the decision rests with u man...we aint the ones puttin the money in ur pocket and we aren't the ones that have drive the car everyday after its bought.....

I say, go with what feels right!
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Old Oct 16, 2005 | 12:02 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 95GSRTT &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I dont think I have ever read as much misinformation on this entire site til I came to this thread. </TD></TR></TABLE>

that's not cliche at all
:rolls eyes:

to the starter of this thread...this is why it's good to search since this has been debated time and again
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Old Oct 16, 2005 | 12:45 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by apok &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Get an LS. GS-Rs are one of the most stolen cars and the most stolen Honda along with the Civic SI.

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GSR

There stolen because the B18C1 is one hell of a little motor.
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Old Oct 16, 2005 | 12:51 PM
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There stolen because the B18C1 is one hell of a little motor.
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agreed. one of the best 4 cyl engines ever made IMO
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Old Oct 16, 2005 | 01:29 PM
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ls hands down , with a nice turbo built motor
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Old Oct 16, 2005 | 01:31 PM
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agreed. one of the best 4 cyl engines ever made IMO</TD></TR></TABLE>

by honda i believe the best engines(I4) they made are
b16b
b18c-r
k20a
k20c
f20b
f20c
and the ls engine...lol
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Old Oct 16, 2005 | 01:49 PM
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The GSR engine is built to last , and with better tolorances! It is balanced and blue printed from the factory. read this if you didn't know this http://sportcompactcarweb.com/tech/0411scc_hybrid/
I am not knocking the LS, but out of the box stock the B18c1 is a better engine. I have owned a GS and a GSR. I love them both. Each of the cars has there ups and downs.

The LS,RS, and GS are great cars. If you were planning on doing an LS/Vtec just know that they are not smog legal in california. the will pass the pipe but not the visual.

As for the ," get an LS cuz GSR's are the most stolen cars" of the 2. There is a reason for it! If you take off your awsome vTAKKK badge then you would never know the diffrence between the 2 unless you looked at the VIN#s.
DC2=GSR hatch and DB8=GSR sedan
Its no like you can even compare them to the Type-R. Those are the most stolen integra's.

When my GS was stolen, i got a GSR. My integra is my fun car. I know the risk of owning a car like an Integra. I love my car and nothing on the market comes close to it for the money. I plan on keeping this car as long as I can. If it gets stolen again. I will most likely buy another one.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ajantics &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The GSR engine is built to last , and with better tolorances! It is balanced and blue printed from the factory. read this if you didn't know this http://sportcompactcarweb.com/tech/0411scc_hybrid/
I am not knocking the LS, but out of the box stock the B18c1 is a better engine. I have owned a GS and a GSR. I love them both. Each of the cars has there ups and downs.

The LS,RS, and GS are great cars. If you were planning on doing an LS/Vtec just know that they are not smog legal in california. the will pass the pipe but not the visual.

As for the ," get an LS cuz GSR's are the most stolen cars" of the 2. There is a reason for it! If you take off your awsome vTAKKK badge then you would never know the diffrence between the 2 unless you looked at the VIN#s.
DC2=GSR hatch and DB8=GSR sedan
Its no like you can even compare them to the Type-R. Those are the most stolen integra's.

When my GS was stolen, i got a GSR. My integra is my fun car. I know the risk of owning a car like an Integra. I love my car and nothing on the market comes close to it for the money. I plan on keeping this car as long as I can. If it gets stolen again. I will most likely buy another one.</TD></TR></TABLE>

the ls engine is just as reliable, you just cant take it past its tolerances....the gsr engine is built differently...yea, but if you keep both engines stock and drive them the same, and not going over the stock redlines....then they should last about the same.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by projectTeG &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

by honda i believe the best engines(I4) they made are
b16b
b18c-r
k20a
k20c
f20b
f20c
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why no love for the B18C1?? at least one of the best honda 4 cyls stateside (from factory)
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