Well I guess its down to 2 cars. An ITR or WRX wagon (2006) I do not mean to start a car comparison and I do know the DC2 chassis debuted in 1994, and the type R is older. But how well would one hold together in a light-moderate wreck at a track, for example (buttonwillow, infineon or laguna seca)...

A family member of mine is willing to purchase a car for me as a gift but it will be a he+me race car on weekends.
He does not want me driving in a "unsafe car".... He's owned a Forester XT in Dubai and liked it and has no problem with me going for the WRX wagon. But the weight factor/power and open front differential really puts the WRX in a handicap position vs. the R..
I have ridden in a R and older (03) WRX wagon with some Eibachs, they do seem different but yet a bit alike.

If I do get the WRX however, its newer, also insurance should be a bit lower(which I need to pay for gas+insurance+repairs); and it can fit some cargo. Also the WRX isn't that bad for 2006 considering it has 202 whp/217 wtq stock, and gets the better brakes.
Also for the WRX I have some coilovers sitting to be installed, thought I was going to get the WRX, but then a family friend/"uncle" did some things and I lost some $$$(work he needed to pay me for).....

Or would RJ's advice be better? get a RS and then changing the suspension and the MoTARRr?,

Theft isn't that much of a concern to me because the car will auto X or be at home.. in a locked garage with 3 cars behind it in the drive way..

Is the R also beginning to show weakness to the WRX or 330i in DS? The local LA auto X club (calclub) events are usually medium sized courses with slaloms and are on cement and are dry events usually. But once a year there are the rainy events. Also if I do get the WRX, the ROTW (rim of the world rally) should be fun or even a rally cross event (Think auto X+dirt)

Would the ITR be ok with mud tires in the front for a dirt event or should AWD be there for that

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Jay J &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">He does not want me driving in a "unsafe car".... </TD></TR></TABLE>

There are no guarantees wrt "safety", and if this is as much an issue as you seem to portend, then I humbly suggest you forever forget doing any kind of "racing" (because every now and then **** just "happens").

 

yes, but what about normal driving on the streets. But isn't driving on the street (not street racing but just every day driving) more dangerous with all the idiots on the road than in a HDPE environment

 

I would get the type r if I were you

the brakes are much better and it is a blast to drive in stock form on the track.

I have driven both and the type r is much better on the track

 

I really think it depends how "serious" you are, and your exact intended use.
The WRX will be more practical, and most likely safer in a collision, while the ITR will peobablly make a better track car.
For Autox: if you want to be competitive in stock class, go with the R....it's just a better autox car in stock form. But for STX....or if you plan on modding, then the WRX is the way to go. (as you know they are very mod-friendly). For HPDE, both cars will be fun either stock or modded. Insurance will be cheaper on the WRX as well.

BUT, you must consider that Honda has better build quality than Subaru, and with constant track use, the Subaru will be more likely to break than the R. (at least that has been my experience with honda/subaru). IF you want the Subaru, i would go with the '06 and buy it new so you know it hasn't been molested, because sometimes that has a lot to do with it (i believe that's why i think mine had so many problems).

good luck and have fun

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by niterida &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I would get the type r if I were you

the brakes are much better and it is a blast to drive in stock form on the track.

I have driven both and the type r is much better on the track

</TD></TR></TABLE>
The 06 Gets 4 pot front/2 pot rears(basically 300zx brakes)-well they are the same as the 300zx.
some stainless lines=really good brakes, and they are not overrated like STi brembros..

The 06 WRX will be in STU as of right now, but they are hoping either the WRX gets allowed into STX ...

 

i say go with the R, i have a 98 RS with a sti swap and its nothing like driving a nice balanced ITR

 

Won't the ITR be more or less tinfoil in a head on 30 mph collision or Tbone?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Jay J &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The 06 Gets 4 pot front/2 pot rears(basically 300zx brakes)-well they are the same as the 300zx.
some stainless lines=really good brakes, and they are not overrated like STi brembros..

The 06 WRX will be in STU as of right now, but they are hoping either the WRX gets allowed into STX ...</TD></TR></TABLE>

true
but it wieghs much more than the integra

I drove my brother-in-law's wrx and it felt so much more sluggish than my type r on track
and his brakes just plain scared me
i refuse to drive it on track now
and his had ss lines, carbo tech pads, and removed dust shields

if you are truely worried about safety on the track then it doesn't matter what car you have. safety equipment is probably the best deciding factor.

maybe a 4 point autopower cage ( or something like that)
5-6 point harnesses
fia approved seats
and a hans devise

I think I would do track days in a festiva if it had those kind of safety precautions already in it

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Jay J &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Won't the ITR be more or less tinfoil in a head on 30 mph collision or Tbone?</TD></TR></TABLE>

http://www.crashtest.com

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Jay J &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Won't the ITR be more or less tinfoil in a head on 30 mph collision or Tbone?</TD></TR></TABLE>

If you racing the car why are you concerned about a head on collision or being tboned? Are you racing in a demolition derby?

 

A car is only as fast/unsafe as the driver makes it. 16 year olds have no business being in either car. Repeat ad nauseum.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by WRXRacer111 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">A car is only as fast/unsafe as the driver makes it. 16 year olds have no business being in either car. Repeat ad nauseum.</TD></TR></TABLE>

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Jay J &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Is the R also beginning to show weakness to the WRX or 330i in DS? </TD></TR></TABLE>

I don't think so. If anything is a real DS competitor it's those damn R32's; although beautiful cars. Check out the Solo 2 National Championship results to see the R's real threats.

If you haven't posted it already, this would be a great question to pose for the RR & Autocross Forum regulars.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Jay J &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Or would RJ's advice be better? get a RS and then changing the suspension and the MoTARRr?, </TD></TR></TABLE>

winnAr!

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by WRXRacer111 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">A car is only as fast/unsafe as the driver makes it. 16 year olds have no business being in either car. Repeat ad nauseum.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Daily driving me (4 miles if anything)+ my dad/ uncle who'd use it every so often but other than that its a dedicated autox+hpde car.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Utilitarian &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

I don't think so. If anything is a real DS competitor it's those damn R32's; although beautiful cars. Check out the Solo 2 National Championship results to see the R's real threats.

If you haven't posted it already, this would be a great question to pose for the RR & Autocross Forum regulars.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Aren't the R32's heavy? Also I think the 285's that can fit on the back of the 330'i's/295's on the 330ci's with the sport package might be a winnAr combo?

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by .RJ &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

winnAr!



</TD></TR></TABLE>

I think that may be a most possible choice if a 06 WRX wagon or ITR doesn't work out..

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Jay J &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
I think that may be a most possible choice if a 06 WRX wagon or ITR doesn't work out..</TD></TR></TABLE>

You dont even need the ITR engine or 5-lug bling either.... I roll plenty of ARrrrRrRs without that mess Stock B18B!

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by .RJ &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

You dont even need the ITR engine or 5-lug bling either.... I roll plenty of ARrrrRrRs without that mess Stock B18B!</TD></TR></TABLE>
And you roll WRX's as well at VIR