With many groups in the US, the use of harnesses without rollover protection is frowned upon. However, here in Japan harnesses are required to participate in a trackday with or without rollover protection.

I wonder how what is deemed "safe" can differ so much in two modern countries.

 

Its called clever population control.

 

Interesting. @ mizunami and YZ circuits they allow "self-techs" where you sign a wavier (or stamp if you are true JDM y0!) and you are on your way.


That is how this stuff happens:

https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=936101

 

Anyone ever see a cusco cage for a s2000? They actually consider it a track cage in japan. If you look at its design, there are 2 bolts that will go right into your head if you flipped over. I never understood how safety could differ so much

 

Ever look at a driving test in Europe vs US? I never understood why driving tests could differ so much. Some people just prioritize differently I guess.

 

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These requirements were for a trackday at Suzuka.

 

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ATTITUDE.

Maybe most track day participants in Japan realize that they are NOT participating in a race but a mere track/lapping day, therefore they do not "drive over their heads"?

Just a thought.

 

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How did you find out about this? Were you planning on renting a car to drive on track? I'm possibly heading over there in December and would be pretty cool to drive a track if possible.

 

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I'm living in Japan and was planning to drive my ITR on the track.

I called as soon as I learned of the trackday, but it was already full by then.

 

How about the way civil litigation differs from country to country?? Blame continency fee structures and a general lack of willingness for US citizens to take responsibility for themselves.

K

 

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K</TD></TR></TABLE>

That is a huge factor as well. Different mindsets I suppose.

 

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I wonder how what is deemed "safe" can differ so much in two modern countries.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Hey Reid, didn't know you've moved to Japan. Hope all is well over there.

The different safety standards over there might seem laughable for some of us here in the US. But with their "inferior" standards, their death rate or injury rate are NOT any higher than any part of Asia or North America.

We laugh at their harness mounting on the floor pan, using harness with no rollover protection, cheesey cage, etc.; but at the mean time, they also laugh at us for allowing non-FIA seats, elbow high "nascar" door bars, mounting the harness to an element designed to absorb impact (rollcage/harness bar), requiring windows all down with no net or arm restraint, etc. etc.

 

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I didn't think they had NASA franchises over there. LOL!
And frankly, I'm not sure its even/yet against the actually printed rules here in the states. JMHO

 

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Probably the because racing saftey is largely reactionary, and there is very little research done on what actually IS safe in racing(comparatively). Competitors and organizations tend to form policy based on nothing more than what they "think" is safe, or what experience or popular opinion tells them is so.

More important than whether the policy is good, organizations need to just show that they implemented SOME kind of saftey measure or rules regarding safety. Once they show their due dillegence, then the responsibility for your saftey rest with you again (after their disclaimer of course).

There are as many opinions about what is safe as there are what setups are the best. It just depends what opinion your rules commitee has.

 

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K</TD></TR></TABLE>

ding ding ding, we have a winner!! people here are so quick to talk trash about what others do. at least the others take their own responsibility instead of trying to constantly find someone/something to blame. if other ppl want to hurt themselves by being mis informed and ill prepared, that's their choice.

 

well ther eare a few ways to look at it - It is my understanding that the reason harnesses are frowned upon without a cage or roll bar is beacuse in a rollover you could be urt badly, or killed. in a NON-rollover accident, a harness should help prevent serious injury, even without a roll bar or cage, so it is a matter of stressing the risks in one type of accident over those in another type.

 

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JDM laywers, JDM Lawsuits are mad-tite y0!

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Wai &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">but at the mean time, they also laugh at us for allowing non-FIA seats, elbow high "nascar" door bars, mounting the harness to an element designed to absorb impact (rollcage/harness bar), requiring windows all down with no net or arm restraint, etc. etc.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Don't forget those alloy seats peeps like to use in the US, I laugh every time I see one of them

 

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no, they dont laugh at us for that, but thats a nice thiny veiled attempt at voicing your own disagreement with US saftey practices without actually having to back it up


and btw, the majority of trackdays in the US are self-tech. Any on track tech is just a relatively worthelss quick check on basic stuff.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by elgorey &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">no, they dont laugh at us for that, but thats a nice thiny veiled attempt at voicing your own disagreement with US saftey practices without actually having to back it up</TD></TR></TABLE>

Your as in me personally?