Does anyone here use or know of anyone who has used PIC coilovers? If so what was you impression on the quality of the product and the materials used to build them? Did they look like they were structurally sound? I’m looking for a set of coilovers and came across their banner here on H-T. I apologize if this is a re-post but I didn’t have any luck finding anything out about them via the search tool.
-Thomas

 

I'm not surprised that you didn't find anything But I'm glad our banner is working woohoo!
Unfortunately we haven't got a lot of people in the States who have had extensive experience with our coilovers, since we are so new, other than our two prototype testers, one of whom also tested our rally coilovers in the most recent Targa Newfoundland. If you've got any q's though feel free to contact me.
edit: also I have posted a few of our shock dynos in the "Official Shock Dyno" thread up top, they are near the end of the thread. The rest are on our page under the "info" tab.

 

Thank you for taking the time to reply to my thread. Please check your pm's at your convinence sir.
-Thomas

 

Gotcha. But send me your email addy, the PM space is so tight on H-T it makes longer messages difficult to read.

 

I've PM'd you my email. Thank you very much for your time sir.
-Thomas

 

Two thumbs up for Al... He sent me a very informative email today and I'm very happy with his customer service..

Two thumbs up to PIC suspension.

-Thomas

 

I know this is an old post, but I too was doing a PIC search and came up almost empty handed. Care to share some of the info you guys talked about?

 

Well the gist of it was Thomas looking for suspension for his upcoming street/strip car, and me offering suggestions in the way of our product line and basic background on PIC itself.
Whats your email addy? I'll shoot you an email with some general info on us and our products, I don't usually use H-T threads to plug PIC except in the Sponsor Marketplace.

 

im actually stating to get pretty impressed with PIC. i think they are way more ligit then k-sport, d2 kinda stuff. They actually answer any question you have and seem VERY VERY knowlegable in their field.

 

Well we try lol. You can only do so much, really. After a point its up to the consumer ot have faith in a new name and new product.

 

i noticed on your website you have a 2nd generation of coilovers for ef's i was wonderin if you guys are planning to do the same for eg application.

 

Oh do you mean the look of the rear's on the EF? They just use a thinner shock body for the rear's (50mm outer diameter vs 54mm outer diameter of the EG's), so they have a different looking lower mount as well.

 

I'm actually quite impressed with the PIC's. The valving in the non-adjustable coilovers is better matched to the spring rates than what I've experienced in other non-adjustable coilover setups. The construction is beefy and the weight isn't bad. They performed exceptionally well on track and have given me no issues at all.

 

Just so that you guys know Al is a great suspension guy and offers phenominal customer service...

Al it's almost time to get the suspension.. Sorry that the build is taking so long... :frown:

Up for a great company..
-Thomas

 

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other sponsors should learn from this. hahaha it seems like everywhere i go theres always a sponsor trying to plug their name in association with a product. will probably pick up PIC in a few months

 

I spoke with the PIC guys at their table at the We-Todd event, they have their **** together. Knowledgable, friendly, and for sponsoring fun stuff.

 

I will be running these on our shop car and am extremly impressed with Al and the products. We plan to carry their entire line and you will see us side by side with them at some of the events. Type R expo 6 here we come!

Our shop car will be available for test rides and for some drives based on what you are looking for and how well you drive. We will have it all figured out. Car will be equipped with PIC's top of the line Select coilovers as well as some basic products so you can get a feel of how different the coilovers feel against our old GC + Koni setup that everyone has used.

Eddie

 

We can't emphasize enough how much we appreciate the support that we've been receiving from many members of the automotive community, including Kendall and the guys at P1, and Ed and Truehonda.com.
IMO we have a great opportunity here to really help each other out and the rest of the community as well, and in the beginning all it takes a bit of faith and an open-mind.
I can't wait for winter to be over and the next season to start up, its gonna be a blast.

 

I've been simply amazed at how helpful the guys at PIC are, I've learned a great deal from them and I'm sure I'll learn a good bit more over time. If i hadnt already ordered my Buddy Club N+ coils I would be investing in PIC no doubt in my mind. Contimplating selling my buddy clubs so i can experience the selects and invest in this great new company!!

 

Ive been looking into a PIC suspension for a few days. I have a question since Im not very knowledgeable in suspension I thought Id put it right to ya.

I was looking at teh Apex R3 (12kfr/14k r) and was wondering what they offer in terms of camber and toe. (Im not too good on suspension components.) Basically do they offer spring perches...blah blah. is there toe/camber adjustability, and if they come from you (factory) ready to go or do you have to set them all yourself when they are on the car for the first time. I autoX (starting to) in my B16a 93 hatch. and am learning more since Im now a tech at a Honda dealer. How hard would it be to install these, such as drop in and go? or drop in, put my nice tires on, align it, fix the ride height?

help would be appreciated. and yes im reading the forum questions that answer mine
-aXhatch

 

Hola buddy. As far as camber and toe, those will depend more on how the car is lowered and whether or not you get an alignment done after the installation (and you *should* get one done).
All sets do come with adjustable spring perches, and adjustable lower mounts as well. But the coilovers themselves are not equipped with any adjustment mechanism for toe or camber, as these things are not controlled directly by the damper/spring combo. Your car comes from the factory with its own adjustment mechanisms for toe, but none for camber. Luckily for you, the negative camber you gain from lowering the car, while usually not equal at all 4 corners, will be beneficial to handling, and will not cause the excessive tire wear associated with whacked toe settings. In fact, its the toe you want to get zero'd out, and the camber that you can more or less keep around.
I go through the order before we ship it out, to ensure that everything that should be inside is inside, and that its all ready to rock and roll when it leaves our hands. Generally I will not go and set any heights on them, as this will vary from each individual car to each individual car, depending on any number of factors. We leave it up to you the consumer to follow the directions (provided) during installation. While its not a drop-in-and-go sort of installation, its not overly complicated either. IMO its a great way to get familiar and comfortable with your car's suspension, as you'll be doing a good bit of fiddling with most of its components. Follow the instructions, take your time, use common sense and maybe have a friend to help out and you should not have any problems (other than seized up, snapped bolts)... But you're a Honda Tech, I'm guessing you've got the tools on hand to take care of those situations.
btw height should be adjusted prior to aligning, because of course changing the height will affect alignment.
edit: Plus I'm on or around the computer 6 days out of week, on AIM too if you run into any troubles or concerns you don't find covered on H-T. PM's work well, as do emails. Phone works well too but I'm out and about during the day, but you can always reach me on my cell for urgent issues (related to the suspension...)

 

yes I have your e-mail (i got ti last night after posting, but didnt have time to use it.) I thank you for the answer(s) to my questions. And yes I will not have any problems removing/installing, my only problem is setting toe/camber. But I have acess to the shop at ngihts so I can do alignments and install it easily.
Now when I get them on my car, should it be THEN that i adjust height? as in height to the way i like it? or should i do that b4 they are on the car? or does it even matter. But i will e-mail u these questions so u dont repost and i dont get in trouble.

Again thanks for the answers I find them most invaluable and it makes me more likely to purchase your suspension if your that knowedgeable.
-Hatch

 

Yes, do the final fine-tuning of height adjustments while the suspension is on the car. Don't sweat it, I don't think the mods are going to go overboard on a post like this. Its fairly straightforward stuff, and possibly useful information for lots of people.

 

A concern brought up by another member, posted in the wrong forum/thread:
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looks like you found the same overseas manufacturer as Omnipower and Skunk2
perhaps, it was just a guess but based on a few things I noticed:
first, your coilovers look identical save for different colors

second, I am guessing they are made overseas since you aren't claiming "MADE IN THE USA" anywhere

you have the same springrates as Omni

you claim you are a "manufacturer" yet on your site there are tons of pics but none of any production equipment....

please correct me if I am wrong and I will gladly apologize...
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No need to apologize, its a common misconception that people have. We can't expect everyone to know the details of the industry and how things work. What we can do is provide as much information as we can about ourselves (which we've done), and hope that people take the time to learn about us and the product and competitors. That would clear up a lot of the confusion.
If looks were everything... well, you know how that goes. Judging something by its outward appearance will usually result in an inaccurate estimation of its true qualities (good, or bad).
Second, we make it clear that our products are assembled and some components are produced in Taiwan.
Third, there are a couple of companies out there offering these rates, and we offer rates that others don't. The difference being that we are able to justify why we offer what we do, and we have.
Honda doesn't display pictures of their production facilities on their webpages; do you think Honda is making false claims of manufacturing their own cars? Nabisco does not show pictures of their plants and manufacturing facilities, but do you doubt that they produce their own Oreo cookies? I could provide pictures, but pictures of shiny CNC machines and shock dynos mean very little in terms of giving the consumer an idea about the product itself. We choose to leave them off the site.

 

I just placed an order