Hi guys

This is my first post here but I need some help

I and a friend have a ITR which is mainly used for Track days

The car has at the moment 199,2 WHP NA

Besides several upgradeīs the car has Toda specīs C camshafts, dual valve Toda springs, Toda campulleys, Portflow titanium retainers, Mugen headgasket, etc

The car has a Greddy oil cooler specific kit

We didnīt install as you should the oil temp and pressure gauge

The problem we are facing is that in the exit of two long left corners in the circuit we do, the car makes a lot of white smoke when accelerating hard.

This only happens in those two left corners in the road or in the other corners of the circuit the car donīt have any problem

We need some advise on this because we donīt know what is happening

Thanks

Rui

 

The car has a Mugen Oil Pan too It is baffled

The oil light doesnīt flash at all

Thanks

Rui

 

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I'll probably get flamed for this, but the oil light in the Type-R doesnt work.

 

It doesn't ?

 

_Bad PCV valve?
_Running too lean at high RPM?
_Could it be grey or light brown smoke? If so, install a catch can.
_Save this for last...Replace the head gasket.

 

Rui, under the hard corners, do you also notice that the vehicle goes out of VTEC?

 

The car has a catch can already

What is the PCV valve???

The smoke is white

The VTEC work perfect and we can feel it

The headgasket is new

The car hasnīt water consumption

There is no trace of oil in the water

Itīs very odd but we donīt know the reason the problem only occurs in two very long left corners

Our mecanich believes itīs a oil pressure problem the oil pump overpressures, but I would like a second opinion

Thanks a lot guys

Rui


Modified by ITR0765 at 9:26 AM 10/11/2005

 

What gear and what RPM are you on the exit of those corners?

If you exit in a higher gear - do you still get the white smoke?

It's probably crankcase pressure related - (i.e. it's too high)

 

Well during hard cornering I agree with koala, you may be getting oil starvation. Why not invest in a acusump oil pump? Atleast this way you have extra oil should it go dry for a moment.

 

You're going to learn about the trial user "5 post" limit per day soon.

First off, oil starvation won't cause smoke. It WILL cause bearings to wear and VTEC to disengage (it's oil pressure driven).

PCV= Positive Crankcase Ventilation valve. That valve connects the crankcase breather box (under the intake manifold) to the intake manifold itself (front/center) with a 6" vacuum line. If it was failing, you might suck more oil through there than you'd like.



This is a big/slow download, but I bet your car looks like Ed Sackley's (the CW R with the multicolored fenders). About half-way into the video, he lets out a huge plume of smoke coming through a carousel (180 degree) LEFT turn.
http://www.we-todd-did-racing....DE%3D

Oil will slosh around in your crankcase, and when turning/accelerating, you'll get more oil in the breather box and PCV, and that gets sucked into your intake manifold, and burns a light blue smoke color.

First try a new PCV valve. Also, if you over-fill your oil a bit, this will happen more often.

Last, use a oil catch-can to catch the oil in the PCV before it makes it to your intake manifold.
(this one vents to atmosphere, bad for the environment, and also bad for street driving)

 

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Some people think that the warning PSI is set too low.

 

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He is an unrestricted user.

 

Since u didn't mentioned an upgraded oil pump, would that be that problem at all? OEM oil pump may not work that well after u installed the oil cooler kit?

 

I had the exact same problem with my car. I installed a catch can inbetween the PCV and stopped it completely.

 

Thanks you are helping a lot

Both corners where this happened are made in 3th gear

First we are going to try the PCV

We are doing the upgrade in the oil pump maybe with a Spoon one anyone with experience on this, what is the best one in the market?

We are about to change the oil pump by an OEM one for precaution

Does anyone knows what level we must put the oil carrying the oil cooler?

You are great guys

Thanks

Rui


Modified by ITR0765 at 2:06 AM 10/12/2005


Modified by ITR0765 at 2:27 AM 10/12/2005


Modified by ITR0765 at 4:46 AM 10/12/2005

 

Many people here use the stock B18C5 oil pump for track use w/o problems. I suspect it's something else. But I'm not sure what...

 

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I don't think you're on the right track here. The oil pumps last a long time, and even if one is wearing I don't see how it could be causing your momentary smoking problem.

Do you think you're putting too much oil in? That you're overcompensating for the addition of the oil cooler?

 

Thatīs one of the problems we are faccing we donīt know if we should maintain the max level for the oil using the oil cooler

We were changing the pump only by precaution, and because itīs not too expensive

Thanks

Rui

 

Let's see if one of the Honda Challenge people can answer the question about oil level with the oil cooler.

 

Oil level w/cooler: I fill the engine with 4 liters, and then idle it for 5 mins. Then I check the dipstick and fill as necessary until it reads full (ie halfway in between the lines= add 1/2 liter). Takes about 5.3 liters with a filter change on my car.

 

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I've never had mine come on. EVER. Not even the first few seconds after an oil change.

I would bet $5 you could run a ITR with no oil at all and the thing still wouldnt come on.

 

My oil ight comes on when you start the car.

After an oil change it takes a second or two to go out...but it does came on, just not when driving.

 

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I've never had mine come on. EVER. Not even the first few seconds after an oil change.

I would bet $5 you could run a ITR with no oil at all and the thing still wouldnt come on.
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Most oil pressure lights are set to come on at really extremely low pressures.

It used to be a joke back in the old FIAT Abarth days that the twincam motors had oil pressure lights that wouldn't come on until about 3 psi.

It'd only worry you if you were under load and that happened. A lot of those old motors would idle w/the light on and the gauge reading close to zero, but they'd climb to 45 psi under load. So nobody worried.

Maybe it's possible that your particular modern Honda motor just never gets down around 3 psi, even right after an oil change. (?)

 

I assume that thanks to the oil pickup design, the oil starvation can occur only in left turns (when the oil moves to the right side and the pickup is on the left side) ?

 

But this shouldnīt happened with a Mugen oil pan

Rui