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Old Mar 4, 2002 | 10:41 AM
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I love the stock setup on the itr but I would like to lower it without ruining the beautiful setup it has now. I have coilovers (not yet install, H & R) but I don't know if its gonna mess up the car. What do you guys think. What suspension will not mess up the quality of the R's stock suspension or should just use the H&R's??


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Old Mar 4, 2002 | 10:43 AM
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When I've looked at suspension for my R, I've considered nothing but a set of Teins. After the install, I'd plan on just learning the car and working on my personal set of settings for different courses.
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Old Mar 4, 2002 | 10:49 AM
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When I've looked at suspension for my R, I've considered nothing but a set of Teins. After the install, I'd plan on just learning the car and working on my personal set of settings for different courses.
I had the Teins, took them off and bought Bilsteins, and GC with custom rates. The car feels much better on the track now, plus they cost half as much as the Teins

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Old Mar 4, 2002 | 10:50 AM
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To answer the question, the H & R's should be fine.

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Old Mar 4, 2002 | 10:50 AM
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I'll have to look at that setup then. What did you like better about the Bilstein/GC setup. Any negatives to them you've seen so far?
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Old Mar 4, 2002 | 11:04 AM
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I'll have to look at that setup then. What did you like better about the Bilstein/GC setup. Any negatives to them you've seen so far?
When I had the Teins, I was more into drag Racing, and wanted them more for the look, and the name. Once I started to do track days, I realized they were not that great, and seemed to be more of a street setup. One of the main things was being able to re-valve the shocks as needed. The bilsteins can be re-valved and custom valved to handle stiffer spring rates, and can all be done in the U.S. The GC choice was easy, the price for one, and being able to order different spring rates if I wanted to upgrade. I hope this helps. I used to be caught up in the JDM bandwagon, and soon realized that USDM parts can, and do work just as well in some cases.

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Old Mar 4, 2002 | 11:10 AM
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Thanks. I could care less about name or where something is made. I just talked to a number of guys that road raced Rs with Teins and they were very happy with them. I might shoot you a message when I decide to upgrade and see how you're doing. I'm getting married this month and don't have money for such things right now.
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Old Mar 4, 2002 | 11:21 AM
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When I had the Teins, I was more into drag Racing, and wanted them more for the look, and the name. Once I started to do track days, I realized they were not that great, and seemed to be more of a street setup.
What kind of Tein were you using?
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Old Mar 4, 2002 | 11:25 AM
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Just to clarify... you can use different springrates on the JDM suspensions (Tein, Zeal, etc). And usually, the JDM shocks are designed to handle a lot higher rates than off the shelf Bilsteins, Konis, tokicos, etc. One you start changing the valving around on the Konis and Bilsteins, you're looking at big bucks.

FYI: Tein, zeal, etc. can all be rebuilt stateside now.


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Old Mar 4, 2002 | 11:58 AM
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FYI: Tein, zeal, etc. can all be rebuilt stateside now.
At the time I was using these, I don’t think this service was available. This was one of my main reasons for selling.

WIA: I was only using the HA’s. At that time, the HA’a were all that was talked about.

I just felt when looking into Suspn’s that the bilstein/GC was a better bang for the buck. I was able to sell the TEINS for what the GC, and Bilsteins cost new :~)

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Old Mar 4, 2002 | 12:28 PM
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WIA: I was only using the HA’s. At that time, the HA’a were all that was talked about.
I agree with you on this one. With today's standard, the HA isn't really providing the best for the money; despite the fact that there are many people here are happy with this suspension.

My friend's 97 with Toda cams, pistons, etc. has the HA on his car. When I took it out for a drive, I felt that the suspension doesn't settle soon enough, causing some unstability. I could feel a little wobbling after passing some small bumps or joints on the road. I can imagine that if he runs stiffer springs, the dampening performance would become worse.

Overall the HA is ok for street and some track events, but with that kind of money (~$1100) I would rather spend a lil more and get a set of Mugen Lowdown.
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Old Mar 4, 2002 | 04:17 PM
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Overall the HA is ok for street and some track events, but with that kind of money (~$1100) I would rather spend a lil more and get a set of Mugen Lowdown.
The prob is when I bought them, they were 1500 so you can see why Im anti TEIN.

thanks for the insite

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Old Mar 4, 2002 | 06:04 PM
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Hi Bryan,

What did you end up with for spring rates?

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Old Mar 4, 2002 | 06:41 PM
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Well the only setup I have actually driven and can comment about that I might consider is what Rodney has on his Hybrid CTR, The J's racing, Racing Gear N1 circuit damper V stage. Whaoh that was a mouthful. J's also has the Crux setup if thats your cup of tea.

His car rode very well, not as rough as you'd expect from a racing setup riding on some Sh*tty NY roads. The feel is awesome, between the lowered height and firmness. It literally feels like a gokart and inspires confidence, IMHO not the regular BS.

But, for me I don't want that firm of a ride yet. So I stick with stock and try to master it everyday...

Learn to push the ITR to it's limit and you will be rewarded.

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Old Mar 4, 2002 | 06:44 PM
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I had the Teins, took them off and bought Bilsteins, and GC with custom rates. The car feels much better on the track now, plus they cost half as much as the Teins

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Buying an "off-the-shelf" threaded body coilover setup
Getting GC's with custom rates and bils or yellows

-Dave, who also has CRGC's and Bils and will never use anything else on a Teg.. well with a reasonable budget anyways.
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Old Mar 4, 2002 | 06:57 PM
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What did you end up with for spring rates?
400 front 500 rear, I will prob go stiffer all around it I keep the car. FOr street this set-up isnt all that bad

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Old Mar 5, 2002 | 10:07 AM
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Buying an "off-the-shelf" threaded body coilover setup
Getting GC's with custom rates and bils or yellows
Why is that? Because of performance per dollar value?
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Old Mar 5, 2002 | 10:15 AM
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Why is that? Because of performance per dollar value?
That's one reason. Easier to get different springs (faster for sure). Lots of places rebuild bils and konis (besides the big name places, there's a redneck here that rebuilds bils). Plus I'm not into name brand **** but I know this setup works.
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Old Mar 5, 2002 | 10:18 AM
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. Easier to get different springs (faster for sure).
Ummm....a 7"x2.5" spring is a 7"x2.5" spring no matter what it is on. Tein, Zeal, BC, etc. all use standard springs, just like you get on a sleeved type coilover system.

Why is that? Because of performance per dollar value?
Price out a Truechoice kit or price out making your own kit with groundcontrols and revalved konis. You'll see that something like a Zeal is no more expensive, and many times cheaper, then a homemade setup.


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Old Mar 5, 2002 | 10:20 AM
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. Easier to get different springs (faster for sure).

Ummm....a 7"x2.5" spring is a 7"x2.5" spring no matter what it is on. Tein, Zeal, BC, etc. all use standard springs, just like you get on a sleeved type coilover system.
Yeah, and how many people call up GC to get new springs for their S6s? Please, you know that most will be ordering Zeal springs.
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Old Mar 5, 2002 | 10:22 AM
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Yeah, and how many people call up GC to get new springs for their S6s? Please, you know that most will be ordering Zeal springs.
Dude, Zeal does not make springs. They are either Swift, Eibach or another maker. If you want different rates, then order them up from truechoice, GC...wherever you want. It's not that hard.
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Old Mar 5, 2002 | 10:24 AM
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Price out a Truechoice kit or price out making your own kit with groundcontrols and revalved konis. You'll see that something like a Zeal is no more expensive, and many times cheaper, then a homemade setup.
We run revalved bils (revalved by someone local) with custom sleeves and custom springs on one of our IT cars.. total cost of that setup. $700. Wow, that's sooooo expensive.

On one of our other IT cars, we use stock valved konis with GCs, 400/600, they handle those rates fine and that car was in 2nd place until it spun two weeks ago. If you are running an ITS GS-R you will be using something with inverted shocks anyways, so this doesn't apply. Hell most people don't need anything over the STOCK suspension on an ITR at lapping days/etc.
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Old Mar 5, 2002 | 10:25 AM
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Dude, Zeal does not make springs. They are either Swift, Eibach or another maker. If you want different rates, then order them up from truechoice, GC...wherever you want. It's not that hard.
Well I never claimed to have used Zeals before. But the people I know with Teins that ordered different sets of springs, all got springs from their Tein dealer and it took a lot longer than the 3-4 days it takes for me to get ERS springs.
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Old Mar 5, 2002 | 10:27 AM
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I went with cutom rate GC/Bilstein 400F/600R, and I am very happy with them. Great Bang for the buck. I'm not saying they're any better than an off the shelf coilover, but I'm very happy with the setup as a whole. My cousin has a set of B2s and after driving mine says he is thinking of changing over to the GC/Bilstein setup.
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Old Mar 5, 2002 | 10:28 AM
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Price out a Truechoice kit or price out making your own kit with groundcontrols and revalved konis. You'll see that something like a Zeal is no more expensive, and many times cheaper, then a homemade setup.


We run revalved bils (revalved by someone local) with custom sleeves and custom springs on one of our IT cars.. total cost of that setup. $700. Wow, that's sooooo expensive.

On one of our other IT cars, we use stock valved konis with GCs, 400/600, they handle those rates fine and that car was in 2nd place until it spun two weeks ago. If you are running an ITS GS-R you will be using something with inverted shocks anyways, so this doesn't apply. Hell most people don't need anything over the STOCK suspension on an ITR at lapping days/etc.
Ok, so hook all of us up with the guy who revalves bils for so cheap. And where do you get the sleeves so cheap? If you have a hookup, IM me the info because I'd like another set of Tokico/oem-style sleeves.

For the typical guy, a set of GCs with custom rates are going to be $329 for a Honda. Good shocks are at least $450+. Revalving is another $300 or more for your particular application.

Both choices work just fine, but to say one is far superior or cheaper isn't correct.


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