I'm looking into getting an Integra but i can't decide what to do.

Get a used GSR 2 door and do a JDM front end conversion? or Boost it?
Buy an Integra Shell and drop in a K20A2? K24A2? B20?

Whats the best motor for the All motor direction, which is best for turbo apps? I read somewhere that the B18C1 had a compression ratio of about 9.1:1 and the B18B1's had 10:1 but now i just read on another site that its backwards...help?

 

I think with the knowledge you have....I think you should do your homework first before attempting anything. If I were you, I would just purchase a GSR and go with basic bolt ons. Have a goal for yourself when your building a car or engine. Is it gonna be daily driven, weekend warrior, show car, drag car, autox...etc..and then choose your setup......study each engine and pick what you think will fit you best. Most people here look for cheap, fast and reliability. I would stick with b series, If I was you, for those engines has numerous amounts of choices for you. B series engine are easier to swap when it comes to mechanical and electrical. Dont just a pick a K series swap becuase that the hot thing right now....but look into how much these engines are, how much misclleneous items are, how much it will cost you just to make this engine running.....and also how complicated the swap is gonna be. Your looking into possibly 6-7+ grand for this k series swap......and getting a k20 Type R is gonna cost more......You can get a b16 for 2500 and have 4-5 grand to play with....there's been numerous debates about going b or k series. Pick what you think is easiest for you and best fits you.


Modified by CNSK at 1:47 PM 10/4/2005


Modified by CNSK at 3:42 PM 10/4/2005

 

Yeah definately research before you make any purchases, you'll save money this way.

 

I also don't mean to flame, but I agree with the other posters. Do a little research/searching on here to see exactly what you want based on your goals. Your questions have been asked and answered numerous times.

I'll give you a little info now, though. First you need to determine your budget. $1K? $5K? $10K? More? Less? Then you must determine your goals. What do you want your car's end result to be? Massive power? Moderate power? Judging by your post, you probably want one of those, and not a road course car, correct?

The non-Vtec Integra (B18B1) has a compression ratio of 9.2:1. It is the lowest of the Integra models (motor-wise). The Vtec version (B18C1) has higher compression. 10something:1. I don't remember it, but it's easily searchable. The Integra Type R (B18C5), has an even higher ratio.

The "best" for turbo application is high compression AND high boost. You get less lag that way and more power. However, under normal conditions, this is hard to achieve. The consensus is lower compression is EASIER to boost. You can use normal pump gas, and don't need to spend many thousands on tuning.

The "best" for an all motor application is most probably the K-series. The DC5-R motor. Unfortunately, K-series motor swaps are quite pricey now, especially the DC5-R (which I don't even know if any has done yet). The normal RSX-S K-series seems to be very popular, but also quite pricey. Again, what is your budget? If you can't spend at least $6+K for the K-series swap, then go for the Integra Type R (B18C5) motor. If you can't swing that, go for the GSR motor. So many choices.

Depending on your budget/goals, you can go in many directions. I'll stop talking now because we need to know this first before we steer you in one direction or the other.

 

You need to tell us what you want to do first. Do you want this car to be a track only car? Daily?

Tell us what you're wanting to do with it, and we'll lead you in the right directions in the parts that we've used and are happy with and what to avoid.

 

First off, thank you all for replying

I want something that will handle like a go kart, but have a good 210whp n/a...maybe around 250 if turbo'd?

By the end of january I should have roughly 6-7 thousand. I've seen GSR's go for that price range so i might just pick one up and save myself the agony of swapping anything. Now, how much will a complete turbo kit run me?
I'm thinking that i will most likely end up spending in the area of 11-12 after boosting and new coilovers/camber kit/strut towers and sway bars.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by n3o &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">First off, thank you all for replying

I want something that will handle like a go kart, but have a good 210whp n/a...maybe around 250 if turbo'd?

By the end of january I should have roughly 6-7 thousand. I've seen GSR's go for that price range so i might just pick one up and save myself the agony of swapping anything. Now, how much will a complete turbo kit run me?
I'm thinking that i will most likely end up spending in the area of 11-12 after boosting and new coilovers/camber kit/strut towers and sway bars.</TD></TR></TABLE>

again....turbo is another whole story....you can make a custom turbo for $1000 or buy a kit from drag or rev hard for $2000-3000+. Again consider that running turbo isnt the best choice if its your daily driven car. Turbo isnt something you slap on and call it a day....very good proper tuning and dyno is a must...consider all your misc. items, all guages, ecu management such as hondata w/ boost or some sort of stand alone unit, fuel , etc.....is a part of turbo and may cost you another 1000+ for misc items. Thats roughly 3-4000+ grand for turbo...not including labor and paying a tuner.....so....the choice is yours.....

read up on the force induction threads....they will teach you alot...if not, read on the all motor thread....pick your choice...

considering that you probaly want your car fast like drag racing, I would consider looking to an EG with a b series swap(b18c1 perhaps).....Light weight with a strong engine...and just build the head up with cams, valve springs, retainers, etc....tune it and you will be pretty quick......easier and more reliable....

 

I actually hate drag racing...to me there is no skill involved in straight line racing other than shifting skills...go ahead flame on....I want something that will have *****, and be a decent dd. Im a member of a dsm club and there are a few guys that are amazing with tuning. i'm also not looking to run that much boost since i won't be redoing the internals...btw how much can the stock internals take.. im gonna take a wild guess and say 10psi?


Its either this or buy a 97-01 5spd Lude and keep it stock for a while.

 

If price is the option, go with the B18C1. You can easily reach 210hp all motor and a K series is a lot more expensive to swap. Correct me if im wrong but a K series is like $5500 for the swap and like $6000 to get it professionaly swaped in (told by a buddy who did it). If your gonna boost it go with any B series motor.

 

5500 and 6000 for the labor, so 11,150? i dont think thats right, not even close.

a k series swap can be had for about under 6

 

whatever you do. do it right the first time. you'll save $$$ that way. good luck!